Aqu 7th: why no refund on the #10?

[the_fat_man]

Normally I'd be inclined to agree with the dissenters but since the OTB gang saw it the same way, I'll have to defer to them. I mean, some of the most astute horseplayers in the history of the game are hanging out at my local OTB, puffing away.

[gales0678]

what about the tri fat , a little short for the horses invloved though no?

[blackthroatedwind]

Did the gate crew hold the horse for 30 seconds?

He never came out for God's sake.

[gales0678]

Andy congarts on the pick 4 , nice hit for you, i had the 10 so it didn't matter as even if he was refunded my $ goes to the #2 and i lose anyway

there was a lot of commotion at the otb , people screaming , i don't even think there was an inquiry posted, the reply clearly showed a member of the gate crew right on the horse as the gate opened , the horse went right up into the top of the gate when it opened , clearly he was not going to be interested in running , but, after all that how does the tri come back that short in that field with all the big $ horses out , if the #10 was refunded the tri would have even come back shorter and looked evem more questionable

[mes5107]

Originally Posted by gales0678

but, after all that how does the tri come back that short in that field with all the big $ horses out , if the #10 was refunded the tri would have even come back shorter and looked evem more questionable

Trifecta pool $196,534.00 less 25% takeout leaves $147,400.50. A $1 trifecta ticket paid $989.50, so there were $148.00 worth of winning trifecta tickets and the breakage was $954.50. That's how it paid that much, unless there's some sort of conspiracy and NYRA is cheating, if that's what your getting at.

A lot of people like to throw a bunch of bombs into a trifecta for that lottery-type ticket. It seems that was the case here.

[gales0678]

an old way to see if the numbers make sense, at least by as i was told by someone who used to do this for a living was to take the win price of the horse and multiply it by the place price and you should get the exacta price witihin a range that seems plausible

if we take 58.5 and times it by 8.6 - we get 503

the exacta paid 329 or 65 % of the value of the win x place of the 1st 2 run

take a look at what the exacta's paid in the 8th and 9 th , vs the win x place value and you will see what i mean

the exacta and tri should have paid a lot more

[blackthroatedwind]

I shouldn't need to explain this, but....

The 2 horse somehow went off at 3:5. Now, this was ridiculous and he was probably closer to even money, or even higher, in exotics. Therefore, the exotics will all look low based on the win prices, when in fact they are very much in line with what the win prices would have been had the 2 been around 6:5.

Telling people on this board that you question anything because the thundering herd at an OTB was incensed hardly increases your credibility. This stuff isn't rocket science, it's pure common sense, and sometimes all you need to do is sit back and think about it.

[gales0678]

i've seen favorites come in third with similar horses running 1 +2 and pay a ton more than 1,900

also the #1 blows the 1st turn and runs into a fence with a jockey falling off , lots of strange things in this folks or maybe i am just paranoid

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I shouldn't need to explain this, but....

The 2 horse somehow went off at 3:5. Now, this was ridiculous and he was probably closer to even money, or even higher, in exotics. Therefore, the exotics will all look low based on the win prices, when in fact they are very much in line with what the win prices would have been had the 2 been around 6:5.

Telling people on this board that you question anything because the thundering herd at an OTB was incensed hardly increases your credibility. This stuff isn't rocket science, it's pure common sense, and sometimes all you need to do is sit back and think about it.

It's very simple.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by mes5107

Trifecta pool $196,534.00 less 25% takeout leaves $147,400.50. A $1 trifecta ticket paid $989.50, so there were $148.00 worth of winning trifecta tickets and the breakage was $954.50. That's how it paid that much, unless there's some sort of conspiracy and NYRA is cheating, if that's what your getting at.

A lot of people like to throw a bunch of bombs into a trifecta for that lottery-type ticket. It seems that was the case here.

lottery numbers fine , but, those type of players usually have the favorite in their somehwere or at least the 2nd choice

all*all*fav/2nd choice or all*fav/2nd choice*all

[gales0678]

if you look at the ex payout on thus for race 7

$510 paid (win x place of 1st 2 runners - $579)

today in the 7th we get an ex that paid $329 and (a win x place of the 1st 2 runners of $503)

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by mes5107

Trifecta pool $196,534.00 less 25% takeout leaves $147,400.50. A $1 trifecta ticket paid $989.50, so there were $148.00 worth of winning trifecta tickets and the breakage was $954.50. That's how it paid that much, unless there's some sort of conspiracy and NYRA is cheating, if that's what your getting at.

A lot of people like to throw a bunch of bombs into a trifecta for that lottery-type ticket. It seems that was the case here.

not sure if you are correct on the above, the numbers the public see are after the takeout , so the tri pool from my understanding was $196k

[gales0678]

ok guys in the ny post today:

race 7 - "lots of wierd ways to lose a race"

"as the gates opened the #10 reared up, sat down ,and appeared to be in the hands of the starter at the break, but no refund"

well i guess ed fountaine has no crediblitly either he must be watching these races with me at the local otb parlor

[mes5107]

Originally Posted by gales0678

not sure if you are correct on the above, the numbers the public see are after the takeout , so the tri pool from my understanding was $196k

are you sure about this?

If so, then the original pool was $262,045.33. Kind of a weird number.

Anyways, the point of my post was that there was a small number of winning tickets. When you have a small number, the variance of the payout is huge. One more person who has the winning combination changes the payout by hundreds of dollars. It can go the opposite way as well.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Did the gate crew hold the horse for 30 seconds?

He never came out for God's sake.

You don't have credibilty in this thread after this post.

"For every action there is a reaction" Watch the Head-on again.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

You don't have credibilty in this thread after this post.

"For every action there is a reaction" Watch the Head-on again.

Vol JAck - lsiten i would only expect andy to say what he said , he is a NYRA empolyee , he is simply sticking up for those that he works with , he is not going to throw anybody under the bus , but , clearly anyone that watched the race saw it , i saw it, and then i heard screaming at the otb for the next 15 minutes about it

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So let me get this straight...A horse refuses to leave the gate, people that bet said horse are frustrated by it. They refuse to see what is clear on the head on, people at the OTB of all places agree, exotic payoffs are questioned and then the reasoning behind the questioning makes about as much sense as nipples on guys and then BTW's credibilty gets questioned?

Thanks for the laughs....

[the_fat_man]

You guys really need to watch races MORE CLOSELY and stop:

1) with the conspiracy theories

2) wasting everyone's time


If you watch the headon, you'll notice that the horse lifts its head and backs up just BEFORE the gate opens. It loses its balance and 'gets stuck'. The starter reacts for a split second to its rearing but lets it go soon enough. The horse just lost its footing and balance and got stuck. Simple as that.

Just another way to lose in a game that specialize in 'creative' loses.

[gales0678]

hossy or anyone else let's say there is no interference on the #10 , let's say sanchez just had a bad ride on the #1 , can you just eplain to me why the payouts came back so short on the ex, the tri , and p3 , explain it to me in conjunction with the 7th race from thursday , i am trying to learn here

[Bobby Fischer]

the horse sat down