Baffert, Point Given among Hall of Fame finalists

The Indomitable DrugS · #1 02-25-2009, 03:35 PM

Tiznow is 1/5 to take it in my opinion.

The filly and mare three are actually much harder to split. Sky Beauty has the same problem Best Pal has ... all of her success came on one circuit and her record was not impressive at all away from it.

I think Silverbulletday should win it ... but I'd make her just 13/10 to get it.

KirisClown · #2 02-25-2009, 03:44 PM

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Tiznow is 1/5 to take it in my opinion.

The filly and mare three are actually much harder to split. Sky Beauty has the same problem Best Pal has ... all of her success came on one circuit and her record was not impressive at all away from it.

I think Silverbulletday should win it ... but I'd make her just 13/10 to get it.

Out of curiosity.. how did Silverbulletday do outside of age restricted races?

The Indomitable DrugS · #3 02-25-2009, 03:45 PM

She won the Doubledogdare!

KirisClown · #4 02-25-2009, 03:57 PM

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She won the Doubledogdare!

She's 1-9 to get in this year...

letswastemoney · #5 02-25-2009, 03:49 PM

Didn't Best Pal take the 93 Hollywood Gold Cup as well? And the 95 San Antonio? I'd give it to Best Pal...Point Given didn't race long enough....Tiznow might deserve it as well....But I want to see Best Pal get this

slotdirt · #6 02-25-2009, 03:54 PM

Totally off topic, but how are Point Given, Best Pal, and Tiznow up for the Hall of Fame while Black Tie Affair will never get consideration in about 1,832 years?

The Indomitable DrugS · #7 02-25-2009, 04:10 PM

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Totally off topic, but how are Point Given, Best Pal, and Tiznow up for the Hall of Fame while Black Tie Affair will never get consideration in about 1,832 years?

Anytime a horse goes off at 56/1 in the ILL Derby during the 3yo season and 133/1 odds in the Met Mile during there 4-year-old season... there probably not going to sniff the Hall of Fame no matter how many wire-to-wire wins they stack up later on in there career.

slotdirt · #8 02-25-2009, 04:12 PM

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Anytime a horse goes off at 56/1 in the ILL Derby during the 3yo season and 133/1 odds in the Met Mile during there 4-year-old season... there probably not going to sniff the Hall of Fame no matter how many wire-to-wire wins they stack up later on in there career.

That I understand, but his 5YO season was pretty phenomenal.

Danzig · #9 02-25-2009, 04:16 PM

are they voting in horses and folks at this point just to have entries into the hall of fame each year? they're possibly not worthy, but hell, we need to have a ceremony?

Linny · #10 02-26-2009, 03:03 PM

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Anytime a horse goes off at 56/1 in the ILL Derby during the 3yo season and 133/1 odds in the Met Mile during there 4-year-old season... there probably not going to sniff the Hall of Fame no matter how many wire-to-wire wins they stack up later on in there career.

By those standards horses like Symie, Seabiscuit and more are unworthy. They ran in low claiming company early on. I don't see BTA getting in to the Hall, but I don't thinbk it's because he wasn't a great 3yo.

The Indomitable DrugS · #11 02-26-2009, 04:22 PM

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By those standards horses like Symie, Seabiscuit and more are unworthy. They ran in low claiming company early on. I don't see BTA getting in to the Hall, but I don't thinbk it's because he wasn't a great 3yo.

Stymie was never more than 6/1 as a 4yo - Seabiscuit was never more than 6/1 as a 4yo .. Black Tie Affair was 133/1 as a 4yo.

The point was Black Tie Affair isn't going to be a hall of famer just because he piled up a bunch of real nice wire-to-wire wins in one season.

NTamm1215 · #12 02-25-2009, 03:57 PM

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Out of curiosity.. how did Silverbulletday do outside of age restricted races?

Terribly. She made seven starts against older horses and won only once, the aforementioned Doubledogdare. She was beaten in six of her last seven starts, including twice by Beautiful Pleasure, twice by Heritage of Gold and twice to end her career by Lu Ravi.

All in all, Silverbulletday's final seven losses came either to males or older females in graded stakes races.

I've personally believed she was overrated for quite some time, but the two she's up against might not be enough to keep her from getting into the Hall.

NT

The Indomitable DrugS · #13 02-25-2009, 04:07 PM

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Terribly. She made seven starts against older horses and won only once, the aforementioned Doubledogdare. She was beaten in six of her last seven starts, including twice by Beautiful Pleasure, twice by Heritage of Gold and twice to end her career by Lu Ravi.

All in all, Silverbulletday's final seven losses came either to males or older females in graded stakes races.

I've personally believed she was overrated for quite some time, but the two she's up against might not be enough to keep her from getting into the Hall.

NT

Open Mind was never better than 3rd in her 5 tries outside of age restricted races.

The three times Sky Beauty was not more than 0.40-to-1 outside of age restricted races - she got wholloped each time as well.

Sillverbulletday didn't win those good races against older - but she ran quite fast in all but one of them. Her Beyers of 109 and 110 in defeat look pretty good when you consider Azeri only twice reached those levels.

Silverbullletday won the Alabama by 9 lengths with a 115 Beyer. Sky Beauty got just a 98 Beyer in her Alabama win by comparison.

Silverbulletday won 11 straight Graded Stake races against members of her own sex - and ran a triple digit Beyer in each one. She also shipped well ... which is why I think she gets the slight nod.

KirisClown · #14 02-25-2009, 04:24 PM

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The three times Sky Beauty was not more than 0.40-to-1 outside of age restricted races - she got wholloped each time as well.

Giving 7lbs to Inside Information at Belmont at a mile.. not many would be able to overcome that..

Travis Stone · #15 02-25-2009, 04:27 PM

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Giving 7lbs to Inside Information at Belmont at a mile.. not many would be able to overcome that..

I think weight is really overrated unless you're talking a 20-30 pound spread.

The Indomitable DrugS · #16 02-25-2009, 04:29 PM

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I think weight is really overrated unless you're talking a 20-30 pound spread.

Do me a favor and go post that on the Thoro-Graph or Ragozin board.

KirisClown · #17 02-25-2009, 04:50 PM

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I think weight is really overrated unless you're talking a 20-30 pound spread.

When you're talking about a horse with the quality of Inside Information.. I think it would matter somewhat.. She's good enough as it is.. having to carry 7 more pounds than her for a mile has to factor in slightly..

The Indomitable DrugS · #18 02-25-2009, 04:27 PM

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Giving 7lbs to Inside Information at Belmont at a mile.. not many would be able to overcome that..

Believe it or not ... that wasn't one of the times.

She was 0.35-to-1 against Inside Information that day ... her 14-for-14 lifetime record at Belmont Park had a lot to do with that no doubt.

parsixfarms · #19 02-25-2009, 04:32 PM

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She was 0.35-to-1 against Inside Information that day ... her 14-for-14 lifetime record at Belmont Park had a lot to do with that no doubt.

That she was 1-5 against future Hall of Famer Inside Information speaks volumes about her ability.

KirisClown · #20 02-25-2009, 05:00 PM

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Believe it or not ... that wasn't one of the times.

She was 0.35-to-1 against Inside Information that day ... her 14-for-14 lifetime record at Belmont Park had a lot to do with that no doubt.

Must have been the Hempstead then... she was awful in there and obviously no longer the same horse.