Beyer pens post script after sit-down with Wolfson

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Po-lease.

The last time I swung a baseball bat, I was hitting a baseball a few feet above the ground, and it was moving. The last time I swung a golf club, the ball was on the ground, and it was still. The only aches and pains I've had with golf is not being able to get-and-down everytime I find a trap.

Tiger's swing featured a locking motion on his left knee, which deteriorated over time and ultimately led to it basically crumbling. Implying that Tiger Woods took steroids is absolutely ridiculous, and there is simply no basis.

The PGA Tour drug tests too. Their version of "cheating" was implied when certain players clubs were believed to be playing with "super clubs" and so they began testing. Tiger's caddie was one of the first guys to bring in the clubs for testing.

It's a shame our society is so jaded that when someone comes along, someone who is smart, devoted and good at what they do, we immediately cry fowl.

Okay, sorry to bring this thread farther off topic.

Are the PGA testing Travis? I don't remember them going towards testing. I do remember Tiger in 2005 coming out and saying he was pro drug testing if the PGA was to adopt it.

What we do know is Gary Player was chastised by some for suggesting he knew that atleast 10% of players were using steroids, I really don't know why it would be such a big surprise if golf had similar problems to other sports, I am just being realistic, that it is somewhat unrealistic(no intention to rhyme here) that only one sport would remain prestine when most others have already been tainted.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

Are the PGA testing Travis? I don't remember them going towards testing. I do remember Tiger in 2005 coming out and saying he was pro drug testing if the PGA was to adopt it.

What we do know is Gary Player was chastised by some for suggesting he knew that atleast 10% of players were using steroids, I really don't know why it would be such a big surprise if golf had similar problems to other sports, I am just being realistic, that it is somewhat unrealistic(no intention to rhyme here) that only one sport would remain prestine when most others have already been tainted.

There is less than zero chance that the PGA would call a positive test on Woods regardless of what they found in his tests. I mean does anyone really think they wouldnt squash a bad test for Tiger?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is less than zero chance that the PGA would call a positive test on Woods regardless of what they found in his tests. I mean does anyone really think they wouldnt squash a bad test for Tiger?

they would do that Chuck , but ,it would leak out by someone if he ever tested positive and he would retire "to spend time with the family"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

they would do that Chuck , but ,it would leak out by someone if he ever tested positive and he would retire "to spend time with the family"

No chance. It would be squashed and the person who leaked it would get sued and eventually take a package and go away.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is less than zero chance that the PGA would call a positive test on Woods regardless of what they found in his tests. I mean does anyone really think they wouldnt squash a bad test for Tiger?

Probably not, U.S track covered up positive tests.
Bud Selig had his head buried in sand, there is no doubt he knew what was going on in baseball and allowed it to carry on until token testing was mandated. I don't know if Tiger is using anything to enhance his game, I really hope he is the exception, but when one examines other superstars in other sports, Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, Roger Clemons just to name 3 off the top of my head, it's hard not to atleast wonder. Is he?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by CSC

Probably not, U.S track covered up positive tests.
Bud Selig had his head buried in sand, there is no doubt he knew what was going on in baseball and allowed it to carry on until token testing was mandated. I don't know if Tiger is using anything to enhance his game, I really hope he is the exception, but when one examines other superstars in other sports, Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, Roger Clemons just to name 3 off the top of my head, it's hard not to atleast wonder. Is he?

i would be shocked if he is using something , i don't think it can help with the chipping and putting

[CSC]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i would be shocked if he is using something , i don't think it can help with the chipping and putting

If he didn't he would certainly stand alone, there are just so many that do now. Heck even Royce Gracie was caught using HGH when he fought Sakurabi the second time. It's everywhere, you don't have to look under a haystack to find a news article about athletes on steriods.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i would be shocked if he is using something , i don't think it can help with the chipping and putting

The same was once said about steroids and pitchers, would make them too muscle bound. Oops....

[Cannon Shell]

Tiger is much bigger than he was a few years ago. His arms are huge, they werent always. Not that I am making an implication or anything.....

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The same was once said about steroids and pitchers, would make them too muscle bound. Oops....

That's what I don't understand. People still will deny it is not possible.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

Probably not, U.S track covered up positive tests.
Bud Selig had his head buried in sand, there is no doubt he knew what was going on in baseball and allowed it to carry on until token testing was mandated. I don't know if Tiger is using anything to enhance his game, I really hope he is the exception, but when one examines other superstars in other sports, Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, Roger Clemons just to name 3 off the top of my head, it's hard not to atleast wonder. Is he?

The best example of undetected steroid use or looking the other way is the NFL. The standard they have is similar to horse racing. If they put a policy in and do as little as possible to enforce it, only the morons will test positive and they can use those guys as examples of how well their testing works.

The difference between the NFL and MLB is that the NFL has a much better grasp of PR and strategic planning. To think that the vast majority of NFL players are 100% clean is ludicrous

[GPK]

Originally Posted by CSC

Are the PGA testing Travis? I don't remember them going towards testing. I do remember Tiger in 2005 coming out and saying he was pro drug testing if the PGA was to adopt it.

What we do know is Gary Player was chastised by some for suggesting he knew that atleast 10% of players were using steroids, I really don't know why it would be such a big surprise if golf had similar problems to other sports, I am just being realistic, that it is somewhat unrealistic(no intention to rhyme here) that only one sport would remain prestine when most others have already been tainted.

The PGA Tour is testing, and as a matter of fact, Tiger was even tested during his time off after his surgery this past year.

In the other post, where you talked about being able to hit the ball further without more effort ,making you a better golfer...well, no offense, but thats just insane.

[GPK]

Top 5 players in driving distance stats so far in 2009

1. Bubba Watson
2. Gary Woodland
3. Scott Piercy
4. Robert Garrigus
5. Chris Couch

those same guys and their rank on the money list

Bubba - 36
Woodland - 158
Piercy - 33
Garrigus - 82
Couch - 187

Hitting it long, with or without less effort, doesn't do anything to make anyone a better player. If you can't get the ball up and down from inside 120 yards in 2 shots a great majority of the time, you ain't sh*t on the PGA Tour.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by GPK

Top 5 players in driving distance stats so far in 2009

1. Bubba Watson
2. Gary Woodland
3. Scott Piercy
4. Robert Garrigus
5. Chris Couch

those same guys and their rank on the money list

Bubba - 36
Woodland - 158
Piercy - 33
Garrigus - 82
Couch - 187

Hitting it long, with or without less effort, doesn't do anything to make anyone a better player. If you can't get the ball up and down from inside 120 yards in 2 shots a great majority of the time, you ain't sh*t on the PGA Tour.

Drive for show PUTT FOR DOUGH....

BEOTCH

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GPK

Top 5 players in driving distance stats so far in 2009

1. Bubba Watson
2. Gary Woodland
3. Scott Piercy
4. Robert Garrigus
5. Chris Couch

those same guys and their rank on the money list

Bubba - 36
Woodland - 158
Piercy - 33
Garrigus - 82
Couch - 187

Hitting it long, with or without less effort, doesn't do anything to make anyone a better player. If you can't get the ball up and down from inside 120 yards in 2 shots a great majority of the time, you ain't sh*t on the PGA Tour.

I think the strength that you would get would help in your stamina and training more than anything. Train harder, get fitter, make fewer mistakes when tired. is this a logical theory?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think the strength that you would get would help in your stamina and training more than anything. Train harder, get fitter, make fewer mistakes when tired. is this a logical theory?

Maybe, but poll all the players on the Tour and ask them when they make more mistakes, when they are physically tired or mentally tired. My educated guess says a GREAT majority of them say mentally tired. Tigers biggest advantage isnt his physical strength that he has, its his mental strength that makes him head and shoulders above the rest.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GPK

Maybe, but poll all the players on the Tour and ask them when they make more mistakes, when they are physically tired or mentally tired. My educated guess says a GREAT majority of them say mentally tired. Tigers biggest advantage isnt his physical strength that he has, its his mental strength that makes him head and shoulders above the rest.

Without Dala's expert pyschoanalysis i dont know how deep we can delve into this but isnt being physically tired a direct factor for being mentally tired? I cant see how a player couldnt improve by being stronger. It wont make a bad player good but may certainly give him an advantage later in tournaments.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Without Dala's expert pyschoanalysis i dont know how deep we can delve into this but isnt being physically tired a direct factor for being mentally tired? I cant see how a player couldnt improve by being stronger. It wont make a bad player good but may certainly give him an advantage later in tournaments.

I see what you're saying, and yes there is a direct correlation (google it Scavs) linking the two. I think there have been plenty of guys through the years that have gotten stronger and their games gone downhill. Look how bad Duval got when he lost a ton of weight and got much fitter. People don't realize how much of an effect that has on your swing. Look at how gradual Tigers build has changed. It wasn't a one or even two year deal...nothing was sudden at all, very gradual.

Being fitter doesnt always improve a golfer, especially if it drastically changes the dynamics of your swing. I lost 50lbs between ages 20-22. Once I lost that weight, it took me quite a while to get used to swinging completely different than I was used to.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by GPK

The PGA Tour is testing, and as a matter of fact, Tiger was even tested during his time off after his surgery this past year.

In the other post, where you talked about being able to hit the ball further without more effort ,making you a better golfer...well, no offense, but thats just insane.

I'll use this as an example, if a player is ranked 100 - 200 in the world rankings and is looking for an edge in breaking into the top 50 in rankings, if someone came up to them and said I can guarantee you another 15-20 yds in distance, that isn't going to improve your game? 15-20 yds on approach shots to the green can mean the difference from using a wedge to using an iron. You may disagree but without getting into a golf discussion this evening, I say distance does matter, is it the only variable in golf, obcourse not but it does come in play in golf. Just as putting, course Mgt..ect...

[GPK]

Originally Posted by CSC

I'll use this as an example, if a player is ranked 100 - 200 in the world rankings and is looking for an edge in breaking into the top 50 in rankings, if someone came up to them and said I can guarantee you another 15-20 yds in distance, that isn't going to improve your game? 15-20 yds on approach shots to the green can mean the difference from using a wedge to using an iron. You may disagree but without getting into a golf discussion this evening, I say distance does matter, is it the only variable in golf, obcourse not but it does come in play in golf. Just as putting, course Mgt..ect...

Do me a favor. Go back to the mid 1980s and find out what the average driving distance was for PGA Pros then and check the average driving distance now. Then, checking the average scoring average then vs now.

EVERYONE is hitting it further, but scoring averages arent going down. If hitting it further makes you better, then scoring averages should be plummeting....but they arent.