Jan 24th at GP just keeps looking weirder and weirder

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The idiot smoked dope...what a waste to smoke such a precious gift

Yeah...I prefer shooting it up...then coming on here talking about Joel Rosario.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Yeah...I prefer shooting it up...then coming on here talking about Joel Rosario.

I know Dope and Joel is not the dope..You want to drive to Ocala (Classic Mile) and spy on my partner/trainer of Maxiom? I think I am getting the professional run around.. At least when DrugS screws me I know it is going to hurt

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I know Dope and Joel is not the dope..You want to drive to Ocala (Classic Mile) and spy on my partner/trainer of Maxiom? I think I am getting the professional run around.. At least when DrugS screws me I know it is going to hurt

I was just near Ocala 2 weeks ago. I actually walked into some bar and they said "drinks are free". When I asked why they all started laughing and carrying on about some horse and a guy named Freddymo.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I was just near Ocala 2 weeks ago. I actually walked into some bar and they said "drinks are free". When I asked why they all started laughing and carrying on about some horse and a guy named Freddymo.

If they gave out an Oscar for being stupid I would have won 10 already...

[miraja2]

Very interesting post by DrugS....but I have a question (perhaps a stupid one) regarding the Dunkirk part of it. I didn't use Dunkirk in his race on Thursday either, but is the 20 point jump really that shocking given that it was only the colt's second race? Is it possible that his much faster race the second time is the result of him actually being a much better horse at that point than he was on 1/24, rather than a track issue on that day?
Also, wouldn't we expect a colt with his pedigree to post faster numbers going two turns and 8.5f than he did going one turn and 7f? Add in the fact that his trainer has truly outstanding sprint/route and 1st time route numbers, and perhaps his major improvement is even more predictable.
Then, as you said, the other two runners from that race that have run back big (Santana Six and Ziegfeld) were both tremendously compromised by the pace that day. I know their jumps in Beyer #s were enormous, but if the pace meltdown due to a three-way battle was a big part of it, than is that good evidence of something being done to the track after their race?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I didn't use Dunkirk in his race on Thursday either, but is the 20 point jump really that shocking given that it was only the colt's second race?

IMO yes. 98 is the fastest Beyer any horse in this entire crop has run in there 2nd career start and going a distance beyond 6fs. And it flirts awful close with the magical 100 number ... which only six Derby starters have done in the last 6 years ... 3 of them subsequently winning the Derby, two finishing 2nd, and the other being Showing Up.

Originally Posted by miraja2

Is it possible that his much faster race the second time is the result of him actually being a much better horse at that point than he was on 1/24, rather than a track issue on that day?

Even if you ignore Beyers 100% - he ran light years better than he did the last time.

Last time - his main competition in the race were involved in a vicous pace battle through wicked fractions and he rated off of them - and won in a race where the final 3/8ths were almost 40 seconds flat.

In start #2 he was caught out tremendously wide going into that first turn by Prado - who abandon the mount but still felt the need to race ride him. Inspite of that he beat the field with disdainful ease. Obviously he had a right to improve some 2nd time out ... but that was serious improvement.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Even if you ignore Beyers 100% - he ran light years better than he did the last time.

No question, and if a horse improved that much at any other time in his career, it would obviously be extremely strange. To me it just seems far less strange given that the jump came between his first and second lifetime starts, and also came with a significant stretchout to a distance he was likely to prefer.
Of course, I didn't think any of this before the race, so this is obviously just me searching for an explanation after the fact....but to me it doesn't seem THAT odd for him to have improved a great deal given these circumstances. Although, as you point out, the improvement appears to have been quite enormous....so who knows.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

IMO yes. 98 is the fastest Beyer any horse in this entire crop has run in there 2nd career start and going a distance beyond 6fs. And it flirts awful close with the magical 100 number ... which only six Derby starters have done in the last 6 years ... 3 of them subsequently winning the Derby, two finishing 2nd, and the other being Showing Up.




Even if you ignore Beyers 100% - he ran light years better than he did the last time.

Last time - his main competition in the race were involved in a vicous pace battle through wicked fractions and he rated off of them - and won in a race where the final 3/8ths were almost 40 seconds flat.

In start #2 he was caught out tremendously wide going into that first turn by Prado - who abandon the mount but still felt the need to race ride him. Inspite of that he beat the field with disdainful ease. Obviously he had a right to improve some 2nd time out ... but that was serious improvement.

If Edgar took off Dunkirk because he thought Alma D' Oro was better, he really don't know what he has underneath him. Funny that a rider opts off the horse that the leading rider in the counrty flies coast to coast to ride in an N1X ALW.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If they gave out an Oscar for being stupid I would have won 10 already...

Nah....you are just a good guy....a nice guy.


That's what DrugS told me to say anyways.......