What the 2nd Ammendment is for

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i read through the entire thread just now.

the only hope for the future i hold is the knowledge that a handgun is more likely to be used to kill an acquaintance or yourself than a stranger.

so the gene pool seems safe.

considering that most murder victims know their killer (domestic disputes, suicide rates) you're correct. i however don't think ownership of a gun suddenly means you're a crazed, clueless rube bent on destruction.

[golfer]

By the way, Bob, I was RIGHT ... this has led to interesting and diverse discussion...

http://rense.com/general85/pcrg.htm

Some highlights from the article:

"Gun violence" is not something committed by the vast majority of gun owners. "Gun violence" is the preserve of the criminal elements, such as gangs fighting over drug turf. Criminals are already prohibited from owning guns, but criminals pay no more attention to this law than they do to laws against robbery, rape, and murder. Why do Democrats think that disarming law-abiding citizens will disarm outlaws?


So much for gun bans. They only disarm the law-abiding and leave them defenseless."


Please feel free to replace the word Democrats with Politicians.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by golfer

By the way, Bob, I was RIGHT ... this has led to interesting and diverse discussion...

http://rense.com/general85/pcrg.htm

Some highlights from the article:

"Gun violence" is not something committed by the vast majority of gun owners. "Gun violence" is the preserve of the criminal elements, such as gangs fighting over drug turf. Criminals are already prohibited from owning guns, but criminals pay no more attention to this law than they do to laws against robbery, rape, and murder. Why do Democrats think that disarming law-abiding citizens will disarm outlaws?


So much for gun bans. They only disarm the law-abiding and leave them defenseless."


Please feel free to replace the word Democrats with Politicians.

this is pulled from the article, and is an EXCELLENT point!!:

The progressive canard is that the Second Amendment, unlike the rest of the amendments to the Constitution, is not a constitutional right for citizens. Rather it is a right for a defunct organization known as the militia. Why in the world would the Founding Fathers, when laying out the rights of individuals, confound the point by sticking in among individual rights a right for a military organization?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Danzig

this is pulled from the article, and is an EXCELLENT point!!:

The progressive canard is that the Second Amendment, unlike the rest of the amendments to the Constitution, is not a constitutional right for citizens. Rather it is a right for a defunct organization known as the militia. Why in the world would the Founding Fathers, when laying out the rights of individuals, confound the point by sticking in among individual rights a right for a military organization?

some felt the bill of rights should not have been put in the constitution because they believed that by listing them it wouldn't recognize the rights not on the list.

The 2nd amendment is on the list and there are those that contort themselves every which way in order to see it otherwise.

I believe that the 2nd amendment is preemption -
while the individual state has the power to raise a militia it cannot fail to recognize the rights of the individual to bear arms or arm bears.

There is no limit on what arms. I imagine whatever the top of the line was. Meaning arms include guns, tanks, rocket launchers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vCww3j2-w

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

There is no limit on what arms. I imagine whatever the top of the line was. Meaning arms include guns, tanks, rocket launchers.

I often have trouble uderstanding what you write, but did you just argue that every single American has a Constitutional right to own a tank?
While that is completely insane.....I have to admit.....I would rather enjoy getting to cruise down Michigan Ave in a tank.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I often have trouble uderstanding what you write, but did you just argue that every single American has a Constitutional right to own a tank?
While that is completely insane.....I have to admit.....I would rather enjoy getting to cruise down Michigan Ave in a tank.

Really bad on gas milage

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Really bad on gas milage

...try changing the oil in that baby!