Early Weekend Beyers

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Kasept

G1 Las Virgenes Stardom Bound 84
G3* Thunder Road H. Matto Mondo 102
G2 R.B. Lewis Pioneerof the nile 94
G2 Strub S. Cowboy Cal 96

Let the debates begin, LOL.

Eric

[eajinabi]

Our favorite for the SA handicap hasnt even cracked the 100 beyer mark yet.
So sad.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Our favorite for the SA handicap hasnt even cracked the 100 beyer mark yet.
So sad.

what did magnum get by the way?

[SOREHOOF]

Beyer speed figures mean NOTHING on Poly. Only slightly more on dirt. All Beyer speed figures subject to change! The edge used to be in having them back in the day. Now the edge is in ignoring them almost completely, except for deducing who the favorite may be.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Beyer speed figures mean NOTHING on Poly. Only slightly more on dirt. All Beyer speed figures subject to change! The edge used to be in having them back in the day. Now the edge is in ignoring them almost completely, except for deducing who the favorite may be.

that doesn't make sense. you can't not use them but then use them to find the fave. if they're good enough to spot the fave, how can you say you can't use them to locate the second or third pick, and so on?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that doesn't make sense. you can't not use them but then use them to find the fave. if they're good enough to spot the fave, how can you say you can't use them to locate the second or third pick, and so on?

I thought it made perfect sense. I took it as meaning that they help you find out who will be favored because so many lazy handicappers will make the favorite the one with the highest Beyer, not because they are the most accurate.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I thought it made perfect sense. I took it as meaning that they help you find out who will be favored because so many lazy handicappers will make the favorite the one with the highest Beyer, not because they are the most accurate.

but if they aren't accurate, how can they properly identify the favorite? i give them a glance, but they're certainly not the only thing i look at-i doubt they are for anyone.

[blackthroatedwind]

The fastest horses, according to speed figures, were favored long before the Beyers were printed publically.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but if they aren't accurate, how can they properly identify the favorite? i give them a glance, but they're certainly not the only thing i look at-i doubt they are for anyone.

For everyone, they aren't. For a lot of people though, they are. The point that I believe the poster wasn't trying to make was not that they properly identify deserving favorites all the time but sometimes false ones that will be favored simply because of their high numbers. It's sort of how back in the day, especially on weekends, Shoemaker would be favored simply because he was Shoemaker and a lot of the novices would bet him for that reason alone. The same thing happened a lot with Pat Day at Oaklawn and Russell Baze gets it often up in Northern Cali.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Beyer speed figures mean NOTHING on Poly. Only slightly more on dirt. All Beyer speed figures subject to change! The edge used to be in having them back in the day. Now the edge is in ignoring them almost completely, except for deducing who the favorite may be.

You're only half right there. Beyers mean nothing on the poly since the races have the dynamics of turf races yet the figures are calculated like dirt figures. They still mean a ton on the dirt though. And I wish they changed more figures cause I want the most accurate figures possible. I've never understood the ill conceived backlash when they change a figure, it just suggests an ignorance for wanting to know the truth.