In search of a Lock for Sunday

[the_fat_man]

wow

never thought I'd see Rosario all out on a horse and still be able to keep a straight path (normally he's weaving in and out like a drunk)

anything is possible after that ride

[Danzig]

dagulla needs to change his moniker to '5 ton anchor'.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

wow

never thought I'd see Rosario all out on a horse and still be able to keep a straight path (normally he's weaving in and out like a drunk)

anything is possible after that ride

Even the dissipation of the 'dagulla mush'???

[letswastemoney]

I know people are going to say this was another suck up 3rd for Tiago...but...

the pace wasn't fair!! 25 and 49 and 1:13??? What the hell were the other jockeys thinking???

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I know people are going to say this was another suck up 3rd for Tiago...but...

the pace wasn't fair!! 25 and 49 and 1:13??? What the hell were the other jockeys thinking???

lol
never seen that before...

[hurricanefrank]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I know people are going to say this was another suck up 3rd for Tiago...but...

the pace wasn't fair!! 25 and 49 and 1:13??? What the hell were the other jockeys thinking???

I understand the pt but fairness isn't the real question; the real question is the one you ask. Some jocks in that race obviously don't have a sense of pace. And not only was it slow Well Armed was running loose on the lead! I found that amazing for a G2 race.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by hurricanefrank

Some jocks in that race obviously don't have a sense of pace.

This is often stated as if true. However, no matter how often someone expresses it, it will be nothing more than gibberish. Of course, this assumes the common notion that 'pace' is a number; and not how the race develops.

The premise is that jockeys are supposed to be able to notice pace differences of less than a second while going close to 40 mph on a horse they get on once in a while, at best.

Here's an example: I ride the same bicycle every day for a lot more, in terms of distance and time, than a jock rides a horse in a race. While a miniscule change in setup, handle bar angle/length, seat height/ distance, etc. is IMMEDIATELY noticeable, I couldn't tell you (without my computer) if I were going 19 or 20 miles per hour at any given point, let alone 29 or 30, or 39 or 40, horse speed.

How ridiculous this notion really is is enforced by the many idiotic racecallers, who insist on commenting about the pace without seeing the splits.

[2Hot4TV]

Looks like we were 0 for 11

[hurricanefrank]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This is often stated as if true. However, no matter how often someone expresses it, it will be nothing more than gibberish. Of course, this assumes the common notion that 'pace' is a number; and not how the race develops.

The premise is that jockeys are supposed to be able to notice pace differences of less than a second while going close to 40 mph on a horse they get on once in a while, at best.

Here's an example: I ride the same bicycle every day for a lot more, in terms of distance and time, than a jock rides a horse in a race. While a miniscule change in setup, handle bar angle/length, seat height/ distance, etc. is IMMEDIATELY noticeable, I couldn't tell you (without my computer) if I were going 19 or 20 miles per hour at any given point, let alone 29 or 30, or 39 or 40, horse speed.

How ridiculous this notion really is is enforced by the many idiotic racecallers, who insist on commenting about the pace without seeing the splits.

Fat Man you've inserted your own premise; I don't believe I made mention in my post of noticing pace differences of less than a second. I won't quibble with you on that point. The quarter splits in the San Antonio were a good TWO seconds or 10 lengths slower than what we could have expected from G2 animals at Santa Anita. No way will I agree that no jock in that race could tell that the pace was tortoise like. Heck Fat Man, exercise jocks throughout the country work horses for top stables every morning to the second. No, judging pace ain't easy. But the best jocks that are the ones that can do it better than the others. After thousands of rides Garrett Gomez can tell the difference between a 47 half and a 49 half.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hurricanefrank

Fat Man you've inserted your own premise; I don't believe I made mention in my post of noticing pace differences of less than a second. I won't quibble with you on that point. The quarter splits in the San Antonio were a good TWO seconds or 10 lengths slower than what we could have expected from G2 animals at Santa Anita. No way will I agree that no jock in that race could tell that the pace was tortoise like. Heck Fat Man, exercise jocks throughout the country work horses for top stables every morning to the second. No, judging pace ain't easy. But the best jocks that are the ones that can do it better than the others. After thousands of rides Garrett Gomez can tell the difference between a 47 half and a 49 half.

Well said.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I know people are going to say this was another suck up 3rd for Tiago...but...

the pace wasn't fair!! 25 and 49 and 1:13??? What the hell were the other jockeys thinking???

it was 114 to be fair and Tiago had a no shot trip, I usually bet against the horse but maybe he could be value in the SA handicap.

Tiago is so much better on dirt, unfortunately we might see him on dirt once if at all this year.

would love to see him in a race like the Met or the Whitney.

[mbahadur]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

it was 114 to be fair and Tiago had a no shot trip, I usually bet against the horse but maybe he could be value in the SA handicap.

Tiago is so much better on dirt, unfortunately we might see him on dirt once if at all this year.

would love to see him in a race like the Met or the Whitney.

On HRTV. Scott Hazelton talked to John Shirreffs before the race and the current plan for Tiago after this race is Big Cap and then the Oaklawn Handicap.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by mbahadur

On HRTV. Scott Hazelton talked to John Shirreffs before the race and the current plan for Tiago after this race is Big Cap and then the Oaklawn Handicap.

thats original.

[deltagulf]

who cares about tiago