The Fierce Urgency of Pork

[ArlJim78]

"CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ver-long-haul/


funny, nowhere do they use they word catastrophe if the bill should not pass like dear leader was. I guess the politics of fear is alive and well after all.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

"CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ver-long-haul/


funny, nowhere do they use they word catastrophe if the bill should not pass like dear leader was. I guess the politics of fear is alive and well after all.

Jim ...the Republicans were hopping on the first stimulus package as dire also.
Most of the reading I have done claims the longer we wait, the worse it gets.
But this is interesting.

[dellinger63]

as I've said before they're all on the same boat. Repubs and Dems like two work comp attorneys, out for a good time on their clients dime. Unfortunately in politics the dime is paid by everyone who pays taxes. How about suspending their own pensions or having co-pays on their insurance. Only then will they understand and we'll all be dead and long gone before that ever happens.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

as I've said before they're all on the same boat. Repubs and Dems like two work comp attorneys, out for a good time on their clients dime. Unfortunately in politics the dime is paid by everyone who pays taxes. How about suspending their own pensions or having co-pays on their insurance. Only then will they understand and we'll all be dead and long gone before that ever happens.

They do get a terribly sweet deal on health care
and pensions. So they really dont feel the hurt.
Even though they express that they do.

I feel some of the worst are the Representatives.
Slimy bunch in the House. We are worried about
using too much paper at our school, and try
to cut back on dry erase markers. You know,
the real luxury items. And we fawn over someone
who brings their own stapler that can staple more than
6 pages together unlike the ones supplied.
Tis a sad life. But fun.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

They do get a terribly sweet deal on health care
and pensions. So they really dont feel the hurt.
Even though they express that they do.

I feel some of the worst are the Representatives.
Slimy bunch in the House. We are worried about
using too much paper at our school, and try
to cut back on dry erase markers. You know,
the real luxury items. And we fawn over someone
who brings their own stapler that can staple more than
6 pages together unlike the ones supplied.
Tis a sad life. But fun.

but i bet your athletic dept is well funded.

Originally Posted by Danzig

but i bet your athletic dept is well funded.

It is.
But this is what the public chooses.
And it totally pisses off a lot of teachers.

Contrary to my beliefs when I first
changed from a lab to a classroom, athletics
has a place (I thought it was ridiculous).
Primarily, our athletes have to pass
every class or they dont play. We have kept a lot
of kids in school and actually learning by the lure
of athletics. Very strange, but true. By the time
they mature to seniors, and realize they will not
play a sport after school...

well, they actually have some options.

And some kids that are actually good in the classroom
and good on the football field, really hit a gold mine.
I have a senior in Physics this year who is a good student,
a very good football player (although not recruited by top
Big 12 schools) going to Stanford full ride. Not bad.
His parents made sure before he signed that he would be
allowed to take real classes, not basketweaving.

[dellinger63]

[

And some kids that are actually good in the classroom
and good on the football field, really hit a gold mine.
I have a senior in Physics this year who is a good student,
a very good football player (although not recruited by top
Big 12 schools) going to Stanford full ride. Not bad.
His parents made sure before he signed that he would be
allowed to take real classes, not basketweaving.[/quote]

Great to hear. My fav teacher in HS Mr. Pasquesi was also a physics teacher. Although his classes were tough he'd give some points for trying to reason the problem out and putting down correct formulas regardless of the answer. He also took the time to make every answer a whole number giving the student a chance to go back and figure a mistake should he (all boys school) end with a fraction or decimal. Unfortunately he had to leave to pursue a career in the private sector as he had six kids to put thru college. Met up w/him last year and his last is finishing up law school and he plans on returning to Loyola. (Catholic school, little pay) hopefully some of your alum take the time to come back and say thank you

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Jim ...the Republicans were hopping on the first stimulus package as dire also.
Most of the reading I have done claims the longer we wait, the worse it gets.
But this is interesting.

If you are talking about the TARP plan, that was not a stimulus package. It was supposed to be a cure for the mortgage mess and to shore up the credit markets. It was also a sham, but to say Republicans were hopping on board is not true. Yeah some of them merely go along for the ride, and are no different than Democrats, but there is a small group of committed fiscal Republicans who resisted that bill also.

Look, I'm not talking making a political case, that the Dems under Obama got it all wrong and the Republican wizards can show us the way. No, the Republicans are closer to correct but by and large they are also part of the big problem. We need to sweep away all of them and start over.


According to the CBO, even doing nothing the recession ends in 2009.

The pork plan, as large as it is, only releases $109 billion in spending this year according to the Washington Post.

So the question is, why do we need to authorize an extra trillion in spending now, and dole it out over several years? you would think that with all this talk of dire consequences, that this money should be put to work immediately. However most of the money is doled out in 2010. What a shocker! another election bought.

This gets Obama relected. It assures further Democratic gains in 2010. It puts an army of people on the democrats payroll basically. It solidifies and entrenches the one-party rule we have now. Obamas supporters were expecting lots of goodies with his election, and boy will he deliver in a big way.

Its dirty sleazy Chicago style politics, brazen and corrupt. I just hope people wake up and start thinking clearly.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/200...imulus-as.html

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

If you are talking about the TARP plan, that was not a stimulus package. It was supposed to be a cure for the mortgage mess and to shore up the credit markets. It was also a sham, but to say Republicans were hopping on board is not true. Yeah some of them merely go along for the ride, and are no different than Democrats, but there is a small group of committed fiscal Republicans who resisted that bill also.

Look, I'm not talking making a political case, that the Dems under Obama got it all wrong and the Republican wizards can show us the way. No, the Republicans are closer to correct but by and large they are also part of the big problem. We need to sweep away all of them and start over.


According to the CBO, even doing nothing the recession ends in 2009.

The pork plan, as large as it is, only releases $109 billion in spending this year according to the Washington Post.

So the question is, why do we need to authorize an extra trillion in spending now, and dole it out over several years? you would think that with all this talk of dire consequences, that this money should be put to work immediately. However most of the money is doled out in 2010. What a shocker! another election bought.

This gets Obama relected. It assures further Democratic gains in 2010. It puts an army of people on the democrats payroll basically. It solidifies and entrenches the one-party rule we have now. Obamas supporters were expecting lots of goodies with his election, and boy will he deliver in a big way.

Its dirty sleazy Chicago style politics, brazen and corrupt. I just hope people wake up and start thinking clearly.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/200...imulus-as.html

Fulfillment of wishlists and spending that will never be traced or quantified to help fix the problems we face at this time.

[steve]

after 8 years of tax cuts and voodoo economics, two wars, as well as disgracing what it means to be an american, money spent on helping instead of hurting is wrong? some say it is not enough

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by steve

after 8 years of tax cuts and voodoo economics, two wars, as well as disgracing what it means to be an american, money spent on helping instead of hurting is wrong? some say it is not enough

Post number 396 of Liberal refusing to address issue.

Voodoo economics..

Hell you are right, it seems as though the American education system may need 1 trillion more because it hasnt help some people very much.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Asking the Republicans to run the country is like asking a speed sprinter at Charles Town to win a hurdle race over 12 fences.

It's good to see them finally back at what they do best ... and that's being out of power, loud, and obstructionist.

The Republicans seem to think there is some
sort of great joy amongst democrats on this bill.
I dont see it that way. I am as skeptical as anyone
else. But it is sort of amazing that the same Republicans
that voted for Ronald Reagan and his huge deficit
spending that put us in really deep are so freaked out.

The Republican line was deficits dont really hurt in
government. This is one thing I really dont get.
When Clinton balanced the budget there was no
great outpouring of love from Republicans.

I realize the deficit that this stimulus will produce
will be huge. But the line was always but jobs will
created... I remember this very clearly in the 80's
from Republicans. It will "trickle down".
Deficits are not bad at all.
I guess those guys are all dead
or something.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

According to the CBO, even doing nothing the recession ends in 2009.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/200...imulus-as.html

Do you really believe this?
I hope they are correct.
But hope is a bit unsettling in the current situation.

Or does this mean that doing nothing will lead us out
of a recession...

and directly into depression?

And I am still not entirely certain what a recession is.
I have seen it defined in a number of ways.
I dont even know who or what body
officially decides we are in a recession.