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Old 02-08-2009, 10:44 AM
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They could stop sending her a check every month. That would be a start.

the 'they' would most likely be california, not the feds-so i'd think your issue would be better brought up to schwarzenegger, not obama.


the states handle stuff like this--too many people blame the feds for more than they deserve in cases like this.
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Old 02-08-2009, 11:00 AM
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the 'they' would most likely be california, not the feds-so i'd think your issue would be better brought up to schwarzenegger, not obama.


the states handle stuff like this--too many people blame the feds for more than they deserve in cases like this.
But the Fed subsidizes the State of Cali and all others

According to The Budget for Fiscal Year 2008, Historical Tables, total outlays for Means Tested Entitlements in 2006 were $354.3 billion. This was 2.7% of GDP and Includes Medicaid, food stamps, family support assistance (AFDC), supplemental security income (SSI), child nutrition programs, refundable portions of earned income tax credits (EITC and HITC) and child tax credit, welfare contingency fund, child care entitlement to States, temporary assistance to needy families, foster care and adoption assistance, State children’s health insurance and veterans pensions.
(from Table 8.1, page 133)

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Total federal and state spending on welfare programs was $434 billion in FY 2000. Of that total, $313 billion (72 percent) came from federal funding and $121 billion (28 percent) came from state or local funds. (See Chart 1.)

Welfare spending is so large it is difficult to comprehend. On average, the annual cost of the welfare system amounts to around $5,600 in taxes from each household that paid federal income tax in 2000. Adjusting for inflation, the amount taxpayers now spend on welfare each year is greater than the value of the entire U.S. Gross National Product at the beginning of the 20th century.


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Old 02-08-2009, 11:13 AM
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so, you reference stuff from '00 (don't forget congress writes the budget, not the prez) and you're saying you'd support obama if not for this? i didn't know obama was the president in 2000.

like i said elsewhere, local and state govt is your first place to look at. domestically, look at congress. the president is the wrong person to place blame, or give credit to. all he can do is ask for bills and then hope they write a good bill, without a lot of extra pork garbage in it.

and that's why there should be a line item veto. then, the president isn't forced to sign a bill full of garbage just so he can get the necessary parts.
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Old 02-08-2009, 11:15 AM
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also---the feds subsidize the states, but isn't it up to the state to send the money where needed? to spend the money properly?
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Old 02-08-2009, 11:27 AM
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It's all a scam. And reiterates my point that I'm not anti-Obama but anti-government hence me quoting 2000 stats. Want to bet the percentage grows in the next 3 years and 49 weeks?
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and the only thing I can really blame Obama for is not pursuing his illegal Auntie who's been living off the Gov and shouldn't even be here! He wants us to take care of everything under the sun but can't throw this lady a few bucks?
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what i think is a waste-those coupons to get people converter boxes since tv is going digital.
it's my job to make sure some guy with an obsolete set keeps his signal? we're paying for that-it's ridiculous.
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Old 02-08-2009, 11:31 AM
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It's all a scam. And reiterates my point that I'm not anti-Obama but anti-government hence me quoting 2000 stats. Want to bet the percentage grows in the next 3 years and 49 weeks?
people might think that were the case had you been railing on here for months about how things were going; but it seems your attacks on govt only began when obama got elected.
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