Stardom Bound

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no

Yes.

[Danzig]

say no to drugs

[10 pnt move up]

Stardom Bound was average today, no one here can seriously think she ran well today, look at that final time.

[Danzig]

i think POTN was more impressive, and that he faced a tougher field.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think POTN was more impressive, and that he faced a tougher field.

Agreed.

And, and, he overcame the curse.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Agreed.

And, and, he overcame the curse.

exactly! i was thinking about that while going to fix a salad.

[Danzig]

but.....

what about when he gets to dirt? the filly too for that matter.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think POTN was more impressive, and that he faced a tougher field.

I agree that he was more impressive. I don't know about it being a tougher field though. Papa Clem ran second. He was just coming off of a 1/2 length maiden win in his third try. I Want Revenge has only won a maiden race and that came in his fourth try. His big claim to fame was his close finish to Pioneer in the Futurity. Bittle Road has three wins, all on grass and didn't run all that great in the Futurity. Brother Keith has only a maiden win. What this race showed was that the form of the Futurity held but what it doesn't show is how good those horses will be when they face outside competition.

[10 pnt move up]

And if both of them were in with Matto Mondo, a no name grass horse they both would have been drown. I would actually be more optimistic about the runner up in the Lewis.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

And if both of them were in with Matto Mondo, a no name grass horse they both would have been drown. I would actually be more optimistic about the runner up in the Lewis.

these colts are not even really three yet, i don't think you can compare them to older at this point...they haven't even defined themselves just yet vs their peers.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

And if both of them were in with Matto Mondo, a no name grass horse they both would have been drown. I would actually be more optimistic about the runner up in the Lewis.

Actually, Matto Mondo won the classic Polla de Potrillos (G1-Ch) as a 3yo down in Chile, over 1700m (8.5f). He won a G1 and a G3 at two, in fact, may have been champion 2yo down there. He was off for a year while his new owners waited for him to grow up so that the 6 months difference in age would not be a factor. He finally seems to be finding his form again, after 4 races where his new barn was trying to get to know him. (No, he didn't take to the hill or blinkers.)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I agree that he was more impressive. I don't know about it being a tougher field though. Papa Clem ran second. He was just coming off of a 1/2 length maiden win in his third try. I Want Revenge has only won a maiden race and that came in his fourth try. His big claim to fame was his close finish to Pioneer in the Futurity. Bittle Road has three wins, all on grass and didn't run all that great in the Futurity. Brother Keith has only a maiden win. What this race showed was that the form of the Futurity held but what it doesn't show is how good those horses will be when they face outside competition.

but haka? she doesn't stack up to them, does she? and yes, far too early in the year to say any of them are anything as yet. still plenty of racing ahead.

[King Glorious]

I don't think much of Haka and I'd say no, she doesn't stack up with what was in the Lewis. But when you look at the two fields, at least from a speed figure perspective, they were pretty even. Saucey Evening had run at least as well as anyone in the Lewis.

[dagulla]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but haka? she doesn't stack up to them, does she? and yes, far too early in the year to say any of them are anything as yet. still plenty of racing ahead.

Haka is going to be a very very good filly.