This Upsets Me, What About You?

[PeteMugg]

Volunteer tax or not, this would just be another tax funded benefit that won't help me a bit. For that matter, I don't think K thru 12 education should be a freebie.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

Volunteer tax or not, this would just be another tax funded benefit that won't help me a bit. For that matter, I don't think K thru 12 education should be a freebie.

Interesting thought. What about the 5 year old child of a single mother wih limited or zero income? Or foster children or those kids living in orphanages? What shall we do with these children?

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

Volunteer tax or not, this would just be another tax funded benefit that won't help me a bit. For that matter, I don't think K thru 12 education should be a freebie.

Pete,
I'm not sure I agree with you on that. Having educated people benefits us all.
K-12 education is expensive, but considering the alternative (ignorance) and the costs to maintain it, I'm in favor of education.
As far as college education, seems to me that if you earn it, you appreciate it more. It worked that way for me.
Looking for "hand-outs" via fleecing the gambling public might gain some points with the ones that share the church pews, but I don't think it's the way to go.
So, let's fund the public schools and support higher education through Pell, and other scholarship programs. No "free rides".
If they want it, they'll earn it, and pay back later.
We'll all win that way.
DTS

[PeteMugg]

The poor will always get their freebies, education included. But a small fee for education would still be the best bargain anyone will ever get. Around here people buy elementary students cell phones, designer clothes, and all the electronic garbage a kid could ever want. They have cable and HBO and take atleast one vacation a year. They keep up with the Joneses when it comes to houses and vehicles. Most eat out four or five nights a week.

But if you tried to charge them $100 a year per student, they'd scream bloody murder. I'm just saying it's time we pulled our weight and get our priorities in order.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

The poor will always get their freebies, education included. But a small fee for education would still be the best bargain anyone will ever get. Around here people buy elementary students cell phones, designer clothes, and all the electronic garbage a kid could ever want. They have cable and HBO and take atleast one vacation a year. They keep up with the Joneses when it comes to houses and vehicles. Most eat out four or five nights a week.

But if you tried to charge them $100 a year per student, they'd scream bloody murder. I'm just saying it's time we pulled our weight and get our priorities in order.

Pete,
I agree with you on that.
Seems to me that if those folks can afford all that, they should be able to afford the other.
Priorities do need to be put in order...and not on the backs of the gaming public.
Heck, we tax payers already pay for baby food and juice through the WIC program, right?
It's time to leave the horse bettors alone.
DTS

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pete,
I agree with you on that.
Seems to me that if those folks can afford all that, they should be able to afford the other.
Priorities do need to be put in order...and not on the backs of the gaming public.
Heck, we tax payers already pay for baby food and juice through the WIC program, right?
It's time to leave the horse bettors alone.
DTS

Right. My point all along is since when are the parents and the college student who is of adult legal age (18) not responsible for the cost incurred during their college years? The parents, in all honesty, if they were financially sound, would have saved for their child / childrens education. Not all parents are that lucky / fortunate, and those kids need some assistance. But since when should the gaming public be taxed (might be a bad choice of words, taxed) in a sense for those college students who can afford their higher education? That money, in my opinion, is better spent elsewhere, say for example improving our K-12 programs, law enforcement, programs to help troubled youth etc.. Our lottery system in the State of Ohio is the same apparently as other states. One look at my paycheck, one look at how much I owe the school district I live in come tax time is enough to make me ask the begging question -

I see people buying scratch offs and lottery tickets every day. You can even go on Ohio Lottery's website (google it and see) and they tell you how much money was taken in on the Pick 3, Pick 4 etc.. Where is all this money going? Is the appropriate % going to the schools? Meanwhile folks are getting taxed by their respective school district like crazy every year. Especially property taxes in some areas.

What is going on?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Did you know that Cuba's, yes Cuba's, college education is free for everyone? Yet, the United States is the richest country in the world. The federal government has cut down on half the money used for Pell Grants and other aids for college students recently. Do you know why? Because, it has been estimated by the time that these wars (the War on Terror, on Afganistan, and on Iraq) are over with they are going to end up costing a total of 2 trillion dollars. Do you know the good things we could do with two trillion dollars? We could have helped the victims of Katrina, or got the homeless off the streets, or had free health coverage for all...

The United States government, as a whole, doesn't value education at all. Yet, education does run this country. I want you all to think where we would be without those people who have graduated from college. No doctors, no nurses, no scientists, no stock brokers, no computer technicians...etc. Well, we're certainly headed in that direction because it is becomming harder and harder to get an education. Look at the overwhelming shortage of nurses for example. Tuition is rising and federal aid programs are being completely cut or drastically reduced. Without education, we would not be industrialized. Therefore, we would most likely be under the rule of a dictator.

We are living in the jungle folks. Yes, the jungle. These are "dangerous and challenging times". It's called capitalism, and it is going to be what inevitably destroys us; "everyone looking out for themselves" and "everone in competition with one another." There is no sense of community here. "It's do onto others before they do onto you" or "looking out for number one." When Americans' tax money goes into giving others a so-called "free ride" that benefits society as a whole, they get angry. We should be helping others, not trying to beat them. The way we are living now reminds me of Thomas Hobb's "state of nature" theory, only more civil. Members of a society are "killing" and "hurting" the other members of that same society financially. This empire, like all great empires, will inevitably fall too.

Quite frankly, I would much rather my tax money be spent on education than going to wars that we can't win. You can't FORCE democracy upon another country! Just look at Iraq. Hussein was a terrible person and a tyrant indeed, but he controlled those people over there. It wasn't in chaotic ruins like it is now. You didn't have bombs killing hundreds and thousands of people . A firm dictatorship was the only thing that worked for them. The reason that democracy won't be established in Iraq is because some of the people don't want it as they have displayed by planting explosive devices in churches and on streets. How do you beat suicide bombers? Also, Iraq is not industrialized and is in economic ruins. It has been proven time and time again throughout history, that democracy can't and won't be established until the largest class of people are the middle class in terms of economic standing. Therefore, education, wealth, cars, radios, and businesses must first be well established throughout the people. Iraq will only become a democracy when it is ready too, not because the White House thinks that it can force it.

Yes, I would rather my money go to the homeless, or to those who risk there lives serving our country, or the widows and children of those who lost their lives serving this country, or to natural disaster aid programs than into the pockets of greedy Congressmen that said, "Iraq needs democracy!" Yeah, right. I have a message to the White House, "Not very many Americans are buying into that anymore."

Wouldn't having more people who were college educated benefit society as a whole? It's just something to think about.

[paisjpq]

Jessica--I completely agree with your opinion here and your point is well made.

You should post it under it's own thread as I am sure it would invoke the ire of one bold B.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Did you know that Cuba's, yes Cuba's, college education is free for everyone? Yet, the United States is the richest country in the world. The federal government has cut down on half the money used for Pell Grants and other aids for college students recently. Do you know why? Because, it has been estimated by the time that these wars (the War on Terror, on Afganistan, and on Iraq) are over with they are going to end up costing a total of 2 trillion dollars. Do you know the good things we could do with two trillion dollars? We could have helped the victims of Katrina, or got the homeless off the streets, or had free health coverage for all...

The United States government, as a whole, doesn't value education at all. Yet, education does run this country. I want you all to think where we would be without those people who have graduated from college. No doctors, no nurses, no scientists, no stock brokers, no computer technicians...etc. Well, we're certainly headed in that direction because it is becomming harder and harder to get an education. Look at the overwhelming shortage of nurses for example. Tuition is rising and federal aid programs are being completely cut or drastically reduced. Without education, we would not be industrialized. Therefore, we would most likely be under the rule of a dictator.

We are living in the jungle folks. Yes, the jungle. These are "dangerous and challenging times". It's called capitalism, and it is going to be what inevitably destroys us; "everyone looking out for themselves" and "everone in competition with one another." There is no sense of community here. "It's do onto others before they do onto you" or "looking out for number one." When Americans' tax money goes into giving others a so-called "free ride" that benefits society as a whole, they get angry. We should be helping others, not trying to beat them. The way we are living now reminds me of Thomas Hobb's "state of nature" theory, only more civil. Members of a society are "killing" and "hurting" the other members of that same society financially. This empire, like all great empires, will inevitably fall too.

Quite frankly, I would much rather my tax money be spent on education than going to wars that we can't win. You can't FORCE democracy upon another country! Just look at Iraq. Hussein was a terrible person and a tyrant indeed, but he controlled those people over there. It wasn't in chaotic ruins like it is now. You didn't have bombs killing hundreds and thousands of people . A firm dictatorship was the only thing that worked for them. The reason that democracy won't be established in Iraq is because some of the people don't want it as they have displayed by planting explosive devices in churches and on streets. How do you beat suicide bombers? Also, Iraq is not industrialized and is in economic ruins. It has been proven time and time again throughout history, that democracy can't and won't be established until the largest class of people are the middle class in terms of economic standing. Therefore, education, wealth, cars, radios, and businesses must first be well established throughout the people. Iraq will only become a democracy when it is ready too, not because the White House thinks that it can force it.

Yes, I would rather my money go to the homeless, or to those who risk there lives serving our country, or the widows and children of those who lost their lives serving this country, or to natural disaster aid programs than into the pockets of greedy Congressmen that said, "Iraq needs democracy!" Yeah, right. I have a message to the White House, "Not very many Americans are buying into that anymore."

Wouldn't having more people who were college educated benefit society as a whole? It's just something to think about.

"you didn't have bombs killing hundreds and thousands of people" - Jessica

Your right hun....Saddam killed PLENTY more than hundreds or thousands that didn't agree with him....10,000+ at the hands of one man.

"A firm dictartorship was the only thing that worked for them" - Jessica

You call that "working for them"????.....ooooooooookay. Stick with all your horse conformation stuff, or judging, or whatever....cause politics...it ain't your thing kiddo.