Kentucky Derby Future Wager

justindew · #1 02-03-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

Why not just have 720 horses numbered 1-720?

The tote system will not accommodate that many individual betting interests.

Kasept · #2 02-03-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by justindew

The tote system will not accommodate that many individual betting interests.

This is perhaps the grandest falsehood ever perpetrated on racing fandom. Las Vegas can make book on EVER SINGLE T.C. NOMINEE, and many more un-nominated horses, but 'the tote system cannot accomodate that many individual betting betting interests'. In fact they can. The reality is that no one seems interested in taking the time to create the scenario that would make it work.

But if CDI wants to cling to the hackneyed tote excuse, as an alternative, take Steve Crist's suggestion and allow for exacta wagering to spice this tired thing up.

blackthroatedwind · #3 02-03-2009, 10:30 AM

Now I'm never going to be able to hedge the 75:1 I took on Nicanor.

Kasept · #4 02-03-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Now I'm never going to be able to hedge the 75:1 I took on Nicanor.

Was that to win the Derby.. or win a race ever?

robfla · #5 02-03-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

allow for exacta wagering to spice this tired thing up.

that would be nice, but what if you bet a 9 / 15 exacta and the 15 is scratched?

NTamm1215 · #6 02-03-2009, 10:33 AM

I can tell you this much, I'm going to Vegas this weekend and wouldn't mind finding some horses to throw a few bucks on and I'll carry my ass to Wynn to do it. A Derby Future Wager with 24 betting interests is a joke.

Something has to be done to spice it up, just as Steve said.

NT

my miss storm cat · #7 02-04-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I can tell you this much, I'm going to Vegas this weekend and wouldn't mind finding some horses to throw a few bucks on and I'll carry my ass to Wynn to do it. A Derby Future Wager with 24 betting interests is a joke.

Something has to be done to spice it up, just as Steve said.

NT

Any idea who you're going to use?

I'd be curious (don't laugh!) about the odds on Poltergeist but don't tell anyone.

NTamm1215 · #8 02-04-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Any idea who you're going to use?

I'd be curious (don't laugh!) about the odds on Poltergeist but don't tell anyone.

There's a few I have my eye on, like Patena is available at Lucky's at 75-1. He's only 40-1 at Wynn. Soul Warrior is 200-1 but that will change after the Risen Star.

If you want to see the most updated odds go to Dave Tuley's viewfromvegas.com and on the main racebook notes page he should have a link to the lucky's and Wynn odds.

NT

philcski · #9 02-04-2009, 12:17 PM

The only 'technical issue' I see in my proposal is listing the willpays before the pool closes- and early on in the betting there will be some odd results with $0 wagered on most of the interests- because most tracks don't have the capability of displaying trifecta willpays. However, with a competent linemaker estimating probables it wouldn't be an issue because whether a name closes at 100-1 or 125-1 isn't a huge deal to 99% of players this would attract.

What they could do as an alternative to showing every name on a rolling basis is show the top 25 or so that have taken the most money and odds on those.

lemoncrush · #10 02-04-2009, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Any idea who you're going to use?

I'd be curious (don't laugh!) about the odds on Poltergeist but don't tell anyone.

I've made about 10 sucker, I mean "future" bets this year in Vegas at the Wynn. Most recently, I got Poltergeist at 125-1, which was Monday night.
As long as there's value, I'll take a shot.

blackthroatedwind · #11 02-03-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by robfla

that would be nice, but what if you bet a 9 / 15 exacta and the 15 is scratched?

Like all future wagers, if your horse doesn't run you lose.

GPK · #12 02-03-2009, 10:37 AM

I'm fairly certain if I look long enough, I can still find my uncashed future wager on Rockport Harbor

smuthg · #13 02-03-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK

I'm fairly certain if I look long enough, I can still find my uncashed future wager on Rockport Harbor

LOL... I think I've still got my $100 "Rocky" future ticket.

my miss storm cat · #14 02-03-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by smuthg

LOL... I think I've still got my $100 "Rocky" future ticket.

I still have my Flashy Bull ticket but, sadly, don't know what happened to the one for Itsallaboutthechase.

Oaklawnfan · #15 02-03-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by smuthg

LOL... I think I've still got my $100 "Rocky" future ticket.

I found mine, right next to my Lawyer Ron future ticket.

justindew · #16 02-03-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

This is perhaps the grandest falsehood ever perpetrated on racing fandom. Las Vegas can make book on EVER SINGLE T.C. NOMINEE, and many more un-nominated horses, but 'the tote system cannot accomodate that many individual betting betting interests'. In fact they can. The reality is that no one seems interested in taking the time to create the scenario that would make it work.

But if CDI wants to cling to the hackneyed tote excuse, as an alternative, take Steve Crist's suggestion and allow for exacta wagering to spice this tired thing up.

Steve, just for the record, I have been told by high-level execs at CD that the tote system in place RIGHT NOW will not allow it. Changes would have to be made. Then the issue of cost comes into play.

Cannon Shell · #17 02-03-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

Steve, just for the record, I have been told by high-level execs at CD that the tote system in place RIGHT NOW will not allow it. Changes would have to be made. Then the issue of cost comes into play.

Maybe if Churchill spent more time and money on its tote system instead of screwing around in Silicon Valley and replacing every vice president every other year it could be done. I mean why spend money on a tote system when your main income is wagering?

slotdirt · #18 02-03-2009, 01:46 PM

I'm still waiting to cash that Sweet Catomine ticket I had.

cakes44 · #19 02-04-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm still waiting to cash that Sweet Catomine ticket I had.

Gayego still has to finish the 2008 Derby so I can check my ticket.

Monarchos1 · #20 02-03-2009, 02:58 PM

How is it possible that CD's system cannot accommodate wagering on individual horses up to any reasonable number. It can accommodate wagering on all possible superfecta and high 5 wagers in the 20-horse Kentucky Derby field. The Vegas system isn't pari-mutuel, so that's comparing apples and oranges, but there is no excuse for the failure to provide more than 24 separate interests.