Turf Sprint Project -- 'Turnback' debate

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't think this is indicative of the ability of the handicappers out there. The problem with cutbacks is that most trainers don't know how to properly instruct the jocks to ride these races. A horse cutting back is supposed to put in the best late run, as such, all other things being equal, the only time it's supposed to lose a stretch run is to a loose lead. What happens, more often than not, is that the horse is kept too close to the pace and has its kick nullified.

For a very recent example of this, though not on the turf, check out today's 7th at PHA. The 1 horse is cutting back from 8F to 6.5F. She's a lock if ridden properly; i.e. not used too early. So, Elliott, in a nice stalking position with her early, GUNS her to the lead on the turn, draws off, and gets run down by a horse that has only sprinted, 2 5.5F races, and 1 6.5F race, and got run down in the 6.5F race. This is like a 100 yard dash runner running down a quarter miler in track and field. It's a ****in' joke and only happens in racing with bozo jocks.

If you've ever been 'run off your feet' early, be it running, cycling, blading, or whatever, this is common sense. If you're on a horse, which is essentially doing all the work, you could give a ****.

While agree with your premise, the idea that trainers bear the main responsibility of jockeys poor rides is a stretch.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

se habla espanol?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

se habla espanol?

Si habla espagnol, no habla retardo espanol.

[otisotisotis]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Si habla espagnol, no habla retardo espanol.

I laughed, muy mucho.

[CSC]

How about getting Linda Rice on ATR and asking her what makes her so successful in turf sprints? This seems to be as good a place to start with her acumen for winning turf sprints, in particular at the Spa.

[2 Dollar Bill]

Originally Posted by CSC

How about getting Linda Rice on ATR and asking her what makes her so successful in turf sprints? This seems to be as good a place to start with her acumen for winning turf sprints, in particular at the Spa.

Has Linda Rice been on ATR...?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 2 Dollar Bill

Has Linda Rice been on ATR...?

ATR has dipped in class before but never that low

[CSC]

Originally Posted by 2 Dollar Bill

Has Linda Rice been on ATR...?

Don't know, anyone know? I'm sure when the Spa rolls around, it would be a good question to ask her why she wins all those turf sprints.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

While agree with your premise, the idea that trainers bear the main responsibility of jockeys poor rides is a stretch.

That's true. Most trainers stick to the script of "gunna leave that up to him." I guess they are afraid certain jocks won't ride for them (when an owner requests that jock.)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That's true. Most trainers stick to the script of "gunna leave that up to him." I guess they are afraid certain jocks won't ride for them (when an owner requests that jock.)

They rarely listen much anyway or you just confuse them

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That's true. Most trainers stick to the script of "gunna leave that up to him." I guess they are afraid certain jocks won't ride for them (when an owner requests that jock.)

If a jock a) Hasn't worked the horse in the morning, b) ridden the horse before or c) actually looked at the PPs of the races prior, then chances are Plan D...instructions..aren't going to work so well

[AeWingnut]

what's the saying

Good jocks don't need instructions and
bad ones can't follow them.

When I see new tactics.. always wonder if it is trainer or jockey.
if there is a switch I wonder who's idea it was and if it is 2nd time up I assume everything is as it should be and will get the ride I am supposed to.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

If a jock a) Hasn't worked the horse in the morning, b) ridden the horse before or c) actually looked at the PPs of the races prior, then chances are Plan D...instructions..aren't going to work so well

And has reading skills above a 4th grader