Can anyone give me an update on the worlds most exciting horse?

[Cannon Shell]

I am really surprised by the amount of support that Dutrow and Wolfson are getting from fans and others in the game including some trainers. I assumed that the response would be overwhelmingly positive in favor of Beyers article but it has been mixed. I know I shouldn't be surprised by anything in the sport anymore but I dont know what the trainers named in the Racing Form article about Dutrows displeasure with Beyer were thinking outside of each has a good thing going and would hate to see their name brought up for debate. I am embarrased by the racing game in general when owners flock to these guys and then defend them without having any idea whether or not the guy they are defending is guilty or not. The fans defense is even more laughable since they really have no idea what is going on. I believe that there are a few guys taking a big edge and think that anyone who thinks this not be true is naive or stupid. While it is probably a much lower number than some believe the fact that it exists at all is bad, And the sad truth is that the racing commissions and tracks and other bodies meant to police the sport are mostly woefully underfunded and staffed with less than stellar lineups of investigators.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am really surprised by the amount of support that Dutrow and Wolfson are getting from fans and others in the game including some trainers. I assumed that the response would be overwhelmingly positive in favor of Beyers article but it has been mixed. I know I shouldn't be surprised by anything in the sport anymore but I dont know what the trainers named in the Racing Form article about Dutrows displeasure with Beyer were thinking outside of each has a good thing going and would hate to see their name brought up for debate. I am embarrased by the racing game in general when owners flock to these guys and then defend them without having any idea whether or not the guy they are defending is guilty or not. The fans defense is even more laughable since they really have no idea what is going on. I believe that there are a few guys taking a big edge and think that anyone who thinks this not be true is naive or stupid. While it is probably a much lower number than some believe the fact that it exists at all is bad, And the sad truth is that the racing commissions and tracks and other bodies meant to police the sport are mostly woefully underfunded and staffed with less than stellar lineups of investigators.

Very, very well said. It doesn't matter how much you cover your eyes and ears and pretend nothing's going on around you, because it generally still is.

NT

[Danzig]

my husband could find nothing to watch the other day on t.v.-shocking i know...anyway, he stopped on professional bull riding while flipping and flipping thru the channels, and left it on. at any rate, they were talking to a fellow-cowboy, bull rider, idiot-whatever they call him...he was apologizing profusely, and explaining how he had lost his temper at a bull. i guess the guy got throw, didn't win, and took off his mask and threw it at the bull. my point?
he got an $8500 fine for throwing a 2# mask at a 1/2 ton or so bull...

and we wonder why some trainers thumb their nose at the powers that (supposedly) be in horse racing. we have trainers who fight positives for months, who get $500 fines for milkshaking...who call suspensions vacations...and who are back at it a few days later. they get caught talking to asst trainers, take money they didn't earn for races won on suspension-and we wonder at their nerve.

the day anyone defends dutrow is a dark day. the day steve asmussen got his picture taken with eclipse award in hand was one of the worst ever in this sport. the day those two achieved legitimacy would be two of the worst days seen in this sport. they both managed to get the big horse, and it wiped their slate clean. it makes me sick and pisses me off.

These kinds of huge moves need to at least be explained.
Wolfson could come out and say this was a unique situation:
"the horse was blah-blah-blah, so we did blah-blah-blah.
It is a problem easy to miss in many horses and hard to correct
but we accomplished it because of the aforementioned."

And then add how talented the horses really are and the
talent could now be displayed because of the unique
spine realignment that was performed... blah.

Something unique and legal... yes?...has this happened?
Just saying its the same old same old... well he needed rest...
that does not cut it.

[the_fat_man]

I'm still confused. If these guys have such HUGE edges, why don't they work for ALL their horses? I seem to recollect that when Ferraiola claimed a horse it was MONEY 1st time out. Or Oscar, with those multiple wins in succession from the same horse. YET, Wolfson can't get a win out of the RAT Jelly Roll and goes down at 4:5 with Onoitsmymotherinlaw.

Shouldn't he at least get his money back for the juice used on these horses?

I mean, there are certainly cases where JUICE DOESN'T WORK in sports, right?

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm still confused. If these guys have such HUGE edges, why don't they work for ALL their horses? I seem to recollect that when Ferraiola claimed a horse it was MONEY 1st time out. Or Oscar, with those multiple wins in succession from the same horse. YET, Wolfson can't get a win out of the RAT Jelly Roll and goes down at 4:5 with Onoitsmymotherinlaw.

Shouldn't he at least get his money back for the juice used on these horses?

I mean, there are certainly cases where JUICE DOESN'T WORK in sports, right?

might not look great if they win 100% of races, 40-50% is enough

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm still confused. If these guys have such HUGE edges, why don't they work for ALL their horses? I seem to recollect that when Ferraiola claimed a horse it was MONEY 1st time out. Or Oscar, with those multiple wins in succession from the same horse. YET, Wolfson can't get a win out of the RAT Jelly Roll and goes down at 4:5 with Onoitsmymotherinlaw.

Shouldn't he at least get his money back for the juice used on these horses?

I mean, there are certainly cases where JUICE DOESN'T WORK in sports, right?

Ozzie Canseco

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm still confused. If these guys have such HUGE edges, why don't they work for ALL their horses? I seem to recollect that when Ferraiola claimed a horse it was MONEY 1st time out. Or Oscar, with those multiple wins in succession from the same horse. YET, Wolfson can't get a win out of the RAT Jelly Roll and goes down at 4:5 with Onoitsmymotherinlaw.

Shouldn't he at least get his money back for the juice used on these horses?

I mean, there are certainly cases where JUICE DOESN'T WORK in sports, right?

The perfect scenario to explain his legal methods and
why some horses responded to the new regimen, and the others,
the new regimen was not used because nothing needed to be
changed in the first place. They are performing as they should.

So explain away please...

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am really surprised by the amount of support that Dutrow and Wolfson are getting from fans and others in the game including some trainers. I assumed that the response would be overwhelmingly positive in favor of Beyers article but it has been mixed. I know I shouldn't be surprised by anything in the sport anymore but I dont know what the trainers named in the Racing Form article about Dutrows displeasure with Beyer were thinking outside of each has a good thing going and would hate to see their name brought up for debate. I am embarrased by the racing game in general when owners flock to these guys and then defend them without having any idea whether or not the guy they are defending is guilty or not. The fans defense is even more laughable since they really have no idea what is going on. I believe that there are a few guys taking a big edge and think that anyone who thinks this not be true is naive or stupid. While it is probably a much lower number than some believe the fact that it exists at all is bad, And the sad truth is that the racing commissions and tracks and other bodies meant to police the sport are mostly woefully underfunded and staffed with less than stellar lineups of investigators.

Very well said Chuck. I find it hilarious that they dismiss bettors so quick, when in reality, they are probably the most likely to spot the suspicious changes taking place nearly every day around the country.

Some of Wolfson's stuff was laughable, and I was a little disappointed Steve basically just gave him a pulpit from which to speak. No phone calls?

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am really surprised by the amount of support that Dutrow and Wolfson are getting from fans and others in the game including some trainers. I assumed that the response would be overwhelmingly positive in favor of Beyers article but it has been mixed. I know I shouldn't be surprised by anything in the sport anymore but I dont know what the trainers named in the Racing Form article about Dutrows displeasure with Beyer were thinking outside of each has a good thing going and would hate to see their name brought up for debate. I am embarrased by the racing game in general when owners flock to these guys and then defend them without having any idea whether or not the guy they are defending is guilty or not. The fans defense is even more laughable since they really have no idea what is going on. I believe that there are a few guys taking a big edge and think that anyone who thinks this not be true is naive or stupid. While it is probably a much lower number than some believe the fact that it exists at all is bad, And the sad truth is that the racing commissions and tracks and other bodies meant to police the sport are mostly woefully underfunded and staffed with less than stellar lineups of investigators.

just curious is it just me or do these miracle turnaround types usually never last more than one season of racing. I never remember these monster turnarounds lasting very long. does this make horse sense based on whatmay or may not being done to show these drastic improvements (besides tongue ties and shoe changes of course) ?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

just curious is it just me or do these miracle turnaround types usually never last more than one season of racing. I never remember these monster turnarounds lasting very long. does this make horse sense based on whatmay or may not being done to show these drastic improvements (besides tongue ties and shoe changes of course) ?

There are so many variables that it is impossible to quantify. But the one thing that stops horses more than anything is pain.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There are so many variables that it is impossible to quantify. But the one thing that stops horses more than anything is pain.

aha, thanks for the info, I will venture to guess all these monster # horses ala motovato will almost all be gone by next year

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

aha, thanks for the info, I will venture to guess all these monster # horses ala motovato will almost all be gone by next year

Solid guess I think