Andy Beyer

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Riot

Certainly he does, although he sounds like he's forever wistful for the lost days of the 1970's.

Beyer went on and on and on about "moveup trainers", and then when the caller called someone a "juicer" (juice trainer? forget the exact words) Beyer cautioned the caller's accusations down? I laughed.

Beyer reminded me of McCain being stunned at people calling Obama a Muslim terrorist.

I thought the VERY same thing.....would the column ever been written if the effort of This one's for Phil didn't come up with "his" huge Beyer figure? I know it's a slow time of the year in racing, so I guess this was the best he could do for column. It can't help the sport and raises questions that have all ready been brought up. If the public sees this preception from a writer of his stature, they will be turned off of the sport even more.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

I thought the VERY same thing.....would the column ever been written if the effort of This one's for Phil didn't come up with "his" huge Beyer figure? I know it's a slow time of the year in racing, so I guess this was the best he could do for column. It can't help the sport and raises questions that have all ready been brought up. If the public sees this preception from a writer of his stature, they will be turned off of the sport even more.

Steve seemed like he was sweatin' a tad with thoughts of Sirius, small points of legality (but he covered it)

But that's what makes ATR great, freely dispensed editorial content!

[Oaklawnfan]

It has been one of the most informative and entertaining weeks on the show. I thought Rich Eng's comments re: "Scumbags" was the capper. I almost lost control of my jeep on a snowy street.

[CSC]

No one speaks on behalf of the players of the game better than Beyer, very informative interview.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

I thought the VERY same thing.....would the column ever been written if the effort of This one's for Phil didn't come up with "his" huge Beyer figure? I know it's a slow time of the year in racing, so I guess this was the best he could do for column. It can't help the sport and raises questions that have all ready been brought up. If the public sees this preception from a writer of his stature, they will be turned off of the sport even more.

Wow, this is quite a post.

Yes, speed figures are the best available way to determine surprising form reversal. This should be obvious.

Whether or not this is a " slow time of the year in racing, " and some would disagree even with this, Andy Beyer is retired and hardly needed to write this, or any, column. Many would argue that he has earned the right to write about anything he deems relevent....whenever he wishes.

You say it can't help the sport? Did you think this one through? I guess you subscribe to the old " head in the sand " approach to problems. Many of us don't.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Wow, this is quite a post.

Yes, speed figures are the best available way to determine surprising form reversal. This should be obvious.

Whether or not this is a " slow time of the year in racing, " and some would disagree even with this, Andy Beyer is retired and hardly needed to write this, or any, column. Many would argue that he has earned the right to write about anything he deems relevent....whenever he wishes.

You say it can't help the sport? Did you think this one through? I guess you subscribe to the old " head in the sand " approach to problems. Many of us don't.

Well.....I was waiting for this, thought it would come sooner.

If his speed figures are the "bible" of the sport, then this horse should be a "superstar" and it's good to know he's retired, but when you write columns like this one and accuse the trainers he mention of wrong doing, you better have the evidence. I guess he can write about anything he wants, but isn't the first rule in writing that you get ALL the facts first, before making statements? If what he thinks is true, then make all the trainers mention be accountable. My head is not in the sand, but you and Mr. Beyer seem to have "pull' in the sport, now do something about it. Would you like it if someone accuse you of something without getting your side of the story first?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Well.....I was waiting for this, thought it would come sooner.

If his speed figures are the "bible" of the sport, then this horse should be a "superstar" and it's good to know he's retired, but when you write columns like this one and accuse the trainers he mention of wrong doing, you better have the evidence. I guess he can write about anything he wants, but isn't the first rule in writing that you get ALL the facts first, before making statements? If what he thinks is true, then make all the trainers mention be accountable. My head is not in the sand, but you and Mr. Beyer seem to have "pull' in the sport, now do something about it. Would you like it if someone accuse you of something without getting your side of the story first?

You should try thinking about what you write before you post it. You might also want to read what Beyer wrote first.

Who said his figures were the " bible " of the sport?

He didn't " accuse " anyone of anything.

He stated the " facts " that he felt were relevent to his column.

You can turn things around however you like, but it doesn't change your misinterpretation of the article in question. This isn't about me, or whether you or I ( or anyone ) even agrees with the article, but about the misunderstandings you seem to have.

But, hey, I'm not the one who claims he is a racing columnist.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You should try thinking about what you write before you post it. You might also want to read what Beyer wrote first.

Who said his figures were the " bible " of the sport?

He didn't " accuse " anyone of anything.

He stated the " facts " that he felt were relevent to his column.

You can turn things around however you like, but it doesn't change your misinterpretation of the article in question. This isn't about me, or whether you or I ( or anyone ) even agrees with the article, but about the misunderstandings you seem to have.

But, hey, I'm not the one who claims he is a racing columnist.

Well, I guess your right.....I'm not entitled to opinion and I must agree with what the "experts" write. This sport is in trouble and it doesn't need anymore negativity. Maybe it's time for me to spend my money elsewhere if it's this bad. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers, I guess I'm just a stupid "hick" when it comes to the sport I love! I should know better.

[cmorioles]

I'm really tired of people claiming this was because of the big jump in Beyers. It was a big jump in every known figure makers opinion, from TG to the Sheets to BRIS and so on. Of course Beyer is going to reference his own, but he wasn't alone in declaring the performance a huge move up.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm really tired of people claiming this was because of the big jump in Beyers. It was a big jump in every known figure makers opinion, from TG to the Sheets to BRIS and so on. Of course Beyer is going to reference his own, but he wasn't alone in declaring the performance a huge move up.

That's what people do who don't want to address the issue.....they attack the messenger. If someone wants to claim that in this instance they disagree with Beyer, that's fine, but to pretend that there isn't a medication issue affecting the game is to ignore perhaps the biggest issue that horseplayers, as well as many owners and trainers, are concerned with.

Even if we don't agree, we have an obligation to address these concerns.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Well, I guess your right.....I'm not entitled to opinion and I must agree with what the "experts" write. This sport is in trouble and it doesn't need anymore negativity. Maybe it's time for me to spend my money elsewhere if it's this bad. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers, I guess I'm just a stupid "hick" when it comes to the sport I love! I should know better.

Give me a break Mark. You're a big boy......take responsibility for what you wrote. Don't whine with that " I'm not entitled to my opinion " crap. Your " opinion " was based on claims about the article that simply aren't true. You are actually the one who unfairly accused Beyer of writing things he didn't. So I pointed it out. Big deal. If you felt what you wrote was defendable you would have done so.

Baseball survived the steroids issue....in fact they are stronger for it. In my opinion you change things by addressing them.....not by ignoring them. You claim the game is in trouble, yet you think the solution to this is to ignore what is troubling the game.....sorry if that doesn't make sense to me.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Give me a break Mark. You're a big boy......take responsibility for what you wrote. Don't whine with that " I'm not entitled to my opinion " crap. Your " opinion " was based on claims about the article that simply aren't true. You are actually the one who unfairly accused Beyer of writing things he didn't. So I pointed it out. Big deal. If you felt what you wrote was defendable you would have done so.

Baseball survived the steroids issue....in fact they are stronger for it. In my opinion you change things by addressing them.....not by ignoring them. You claim the game is in trouble, yet you think the solution to this is to ignore what is troubling the game.....sorry if that doesn't make sense to me.

Ok, let's address the problem. And if these trainers are guilty, then BANNED them. Names were named, I'm not ingoring anything.....but, what can be solved by mentioning these trainers? Unless the "powers to be" do something about them. Mr. Beyer then should continue following and watching these men. What's the answer to these problems???