Imperial Council ?

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm not sure where I said anything about steroids and/or performance-enhancing drugs. What I am is a fan of horsemen who do what their supposed to do with good horses. Few trainers are given the type of horses Shug gets routinely and he does so little with them. What kind of career do you think Criminologist would have had if she was with someone like Frankel or Barclay Tagg?

NT

I dont see how you can say Tagg is alot better trainer than Shug. Maybe you could say K Mclaughlin or Dutrow, but Tagg??

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'm not sure where I said anything about steroids and/or performance-enhancing drugs. What I am is a fan of horsemen who do what their supposed to do with good horses. Few trainers are given the type of horses Shug gets routinely and he does so little with them. What kind of career do you think Criminologist would have had if she was with someone like Frankel or Barclay Tagg?

NT

I never thought Criminologist was all that much, so I have to disagree that Shug somehow mismanaged her. I do agree, however, that Shug's horses get often get overbet and overvalued.

[dagulla]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I find it hilarious that Dunkirk has gotten absolutely slammed on this board but Imperial Council has been considered a "sleeper" for quite some time both here and with a number of "experts."

If Dunkirk capitalized on a terrific pace setup in his debut then what exactly did Imperial Council do when he broke his maiden in career start #2? They went pitifully slow to the half and considering Professor Z had a disastrous start and then made a woefully premature move, IC had EVERYTHING go his way. American Dance broke his maiden in his next start when he beat the mighty Aswaaq and was then drowned by Old Fashioned. Professor Z beat a horrible field of maidens on 11/1 at the Big A then beat an equally terrible N1X field on the inner. He was exposed at Oaklawn in an ungraded stake.

I am admittedly not a Shug McGaughey fan and that has nothing to do with Shug as a man. His horses garner a ton of hype all the time, are consistently overbet, and almost as consistently underperform. I understand that he has done great things over the years, as Easy Goer and Lure were outstanding animals, but that was then and this is now.

NT

I am no indsider, and I started this thread because I was curious to here any updated news on this horse. I herd months ago that Shug thought this one was a stone cold runner, and the real deal, and Shug felt he had a horse who could win a triple crown race. Shug is not the type to talk, like Dutrow. So take it how you want.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by dagulla

I am no indsider, and I started this thread because I was curious to here any updated news on this horse. I herd months ago that Shug thought this one was a stone cold runner, and the real deal, and Shug felt he had a horse who could win a triple crown race..... Shug is not the type to talk, like Dutrow. So take it how you want.

He said the same thing about Sightseeing

[dagulla]

Originally Posted by freddymo

He said the same thing about Sightseeing

Not true, I here that he thought Sightseeing was not much horse, and the only time he was really high on Sightseeing was going into the Wood, when Sightseeing easily ran his career best race.

[jinjin]

This thread started with an innocent question about a horse and it went off into weird tangents about shug's ability as a trainer, etc. Just because a horse is well bred, doesn't mean that it will be a champion. We all know it's a crap shoot. McGaughy is a good trainer who takes care of his horses and doesn't push them. If they have ability, they perform. It's futile to speculate whether they would do better with any other trainer because I doubt the Phipps' would ever part with Shug. They breed to race, and they love the horses and the game. They don't do it for the money.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jinjin

This thread started with an innocent question about a horse and it went off into weird tangents about shug's ability as a trainer, etc. Just because a horse is well bred, doesn't mean that it will be a champion. We all know it's a crap shoot. McGaughy is a good trainer who takes care of his horses and doesn't push them. If they have ability, they perform. It's futile to speculate whether they would do better with any other trainer because I doubt the Phipps' would ever part with Shug. They breed to race, and they love the horses and the game. They don't do it for the money.

First of all, he's not a Phipps horse.

Secondly, maybe you should at least wait until you have double digit posts before questioning the turn the thread took. People's opinions of Shug are actually very relevent to the topic of the thread.

And, look at it this way, it's about the most popular non-birthday thread this board has seen in months. How can that be a bad thing?

[jinjin]

Originally Posted by Linny

http://www.sequoiaracing.com/
Thank you. I remember reading about them last fall. I had figured that Sequoia was the racing name of a Phipps family member but it looks like it's not.

I thought this cleared it up. It doesn't really matter, does it.

[lemoncrush]

Imperial Council is entered in an Allowance Race this Saturday at GP.
8th (4:43)

6 1/2 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Allowance | Purse: $42,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Prince Joshua Nunez E O 120 L
2 Primary Witness Garcia Alan 122 L
3 Join in the Dance Velasquez C 120 L
4 A Centurian Cruz M R 122 L
5 Dueling Alex Trujillo E 120 L
6 Two Brash Leparoux J R 120 Blk-On L
7 Lookin Left Landry R C 120 L
8 Imperial Council Prado E S 120 L
9 Z Day Madrid M 122 L

[KirisClown]

Looked decent today..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymydhReWJDQ

[lostcode]

Very nice race. Seemed in command the whole way. Z Day set wicked fractions.

[lemoncrush]

Got a nice set up today, no doubt..but a very nice professional win without being asked for much.
Really looking forward to his next start.