Watered down winter racing

[MISTERGEE]

playing devils advocate here but arent we just saying that the kentucky breds arent invited to this group only. the cal breds always get their ass kicked in the sunshine millions. there are many cal restricted stakes anyway, and the older fla bred horses need to get some $ along the way besides the fla stallion stakes which is only for 2 yo. the kentuck breds usuall get all the rest of the $ anyway

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It's not just the Kentucky breds that are being excluded. You also have a lot of good imports that get shut out of the turf races. The Pennsylvania breeding progam isn't that bad either - they have there recent good ones like Smarty Jones, Hard Spun, Fabulous Strike etc. and that program will improve quite a bit over the next few years.

[MISTERGEE]

as a horse owner i probably have no sympathy for the imports on this one, and as far as the pa breds, besides 1 or 2 a year they have a very long way to go, and my favorite horse of all time is a pa bred Joey Blueeyes. I respect your opinion though

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

playing devils advocate here but arent we just saying that the kentucky breds arent invited to this group only. the cal breds always get their ass kicked in the sunshine millions. there are many cal restricted stakes anyway, and the older fla bred horses need to get some $ along the way besides the fla stallion stakes which is only for 2 yo. the kentuck breds usuall get all the rest of the $ anyway

no
what we're saying is it's a shame that you have restricted racing drawing off good horses who would otherwise be running in races such as the donn, and giving it a reason to be a graded race. there have got to be better ways to reward in-state breeders than having sunshine million-type events. if you want to draw attention to your breeding program, seems winning a graded race would do far more for you than winning a restricted race. black type stands out far more than money won.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no
what we're saying is it's a shame that you have restricted racing drawing off good horses who would otherwise be running in races such as the donn, and giving it a reason to be a graded race. there have got to be better ways to reward in-state breeders than having sunshine million-type events. if you want to draw attention to your breeding program, seems winning a graded race would do far more for you than winning a restricted race. black type stands out far more than money won.

most of thes people need cash now, not black type which may or may not do their horse any good down the road

[MISTERGEE]

i would say that at least in the last 40 yrs only 1 donn winner has gone on to become a prolific sire, deputy minister in 83

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It's all about watering down racing to please just a few breeders in two states.

$3.6 million in purse money wasted at the expense of existing stakes at GP and SA. Many of them are stakes that should be stripped of graded stakes status or dropped a Grade.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's all about watering down racing to please just a few breeders in two states.

$3.6 million in purse money wasted at the expense of existing stakes at GP and SA. Many of them are stakes that should be stripped of graded stakes status or dropped a Grade.

another thing they could/should do is drop the purse money, make the total for the day one million dollars.
there's got to be a better way to reward breeders than having races only for horses produced in the state, with inflated purses that are higher than most graded races.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

i would say that at least in the last 40 yrs only 1 donn winner has gone on to become a prolific sire, deputy minister in 83

the black type is only a part of the equation-you have restricted racing worth more purse money than graded racing-how does that make sense?
the donn is an open, graded stakes worth 500k-if you didn't have the sunshine millions classic, and put that purse money towards the donn, you'd have the money up for grabs that you say people need (cash now) as well as the black type for said horses future. those who placed/showed would get a bigger amount as well, as well as the 'placed in' tag.
moves like that would seemingly produce a better field than einstein, kip and who knows who else.
i've seen complaints for years on here and elsewhere, about the lack of depth in fields, about there being too many stakes up for grabs-this would solve both those issues.