A belated thanks from across the pond...

[ateamstupid]

Bush was (so glad I can finally use the past tense) a disgrace, so he deserves to be treated disgracefully.

[TheSpyder]

Since the President doesn't make laws which is under the direction of Capital Hill, his main function is to set the mood and tone of the country internally and the world. As those that remember JFK and the influence of the modern media (TV), projecting the right image and tone are critical.

Obama does a great job. JFK, Regan, and the President on West Wing also did. Conversely, Bush was a very sad joke.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Bush was (so glad I can finally use the past tense) a disgrace, so he deserves to be treated disgracefully.

Well I guess Bush wasn't "an amazing human being" like Obama is. I personally hope Obama is a good president and does great things for our country. But he is a politician who has not really done much other than get elected a few times which hardly qualifies you as great or amazing. The fawning is excessive but the mainstream media is not liberal right? Tuesdays coverage which was close to hysteria should end that debate.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well I guess Bush wasn't "an amazing human being" like Obama is. I personally hope Obama is a good president and does great things for our country. But he is a politician who has not really done much other than get elected a few times which hardly qualifies you as great or amazing. The fawning is excessive but the mainstream media is not liberal right? Tuesdays coverage which was close to hysteria should end that debate.

Well said

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well I guess Bush wasn't "an amazing human being" like Obama is. I personally hope Obama is a good president and does great things for our country. But he is a politician who has not really done much other than get elected a few times which hardly qualifies you as great or amazing. The fawning is excessive but the mainstream media is not liberal right? Tuesdays coverage which was close to hysteria should end that debate.

THANK YOU !, add his supporters to that statement too.

The fawning has occurred because people are
in shock that this country could actually elect a
black man.

Now its time to get down to work. The election is
over. So lets see who attempts to make things work,
or gum up a fresh face with a different approach.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by pgardn

The fawning has occurred because people are
in shock that this country could actually elect a
black man.

Now its time to get down to work. The election is
over. So lets see who attempts to make things work,
or gum up a fresh face with a different approach.

......isnt he just as much a white man

Originally Posted by alysheba4

......isnt he just as much a white man

Not according to the man himself.

Genetically yes, culturally I think he
has correctly considered himself "black".

He clearly felt an identity crisis and did not
feel like he was as connected to this country
as others.

So I guess he is not "black" anymore based
on my foggy description.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well I guess Bush wasn't "an amazing human being"

Oh, hell yes he was amazing.


He was amazingly stupid.

Told everyone the economy was fine. Last July, he was telling the country the economy is just fine. We are so used to him being stupid that we didn't even get that upset when he told us the opposite (1 month later.) People were upset the economy was puke, but they were immune to the fact he had lied about it all year.

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Oh, hell yes he was amazing.


old everyone the economy was fine. Last July, he was telling the country the economy is just fine. We are so used to him being stupid that we didn't even get that upset when he told us the opposite (1 month later.) People were upset the economy was puke, but they were immune to the fact he had lied about it all year.

He was in good company. Barney Frank said the same thing in August.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

He was in good company. Barney Frank said the same thing in August.

Wouldn't consider that "good" company.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well I guess Bush wasn't "an amazing human being" like Obama is. I personally hope Obama is a good president and does great things for our country. But he is a politician who has not really done much other than get elected a few times which hardly qualifies you as great or amazing. The fawning is excessive but the mainstream media is not liberal right? Tuesdays coverage which was close to hysteria should end that debate.

The whole "mainstream media is liberal," "mainstream media is conservative" line of thinking is lazy, paranoid and moronic. The media is too large and amorphous to lean one way. If they do lean one way, it's toward whatever gets the best ratings/readership/listeners. For a while, the country as a whole leaned more conservative, so the media generally leaned in that direction too (let Bush slide on monumental screwups). Now that the country has shifted more toward the Democrats, the media is going nuts for Obama and MSNBC has become less bashful about its slant, as Fox News did during the early Bush years. I guarantee that as soon as Obama slips up, the right-wing section of the media will be heard from loud and clear once again.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The whole "mainstream media is liberal," "mainstream media is conservative" line of thinking is lazy, paranoid and moronic. The media is too large and amorphous to lean one way. If they do lean one way, it's toward whatever gets the best ratings/readership/listeners. For a while, the country as a whole leaned more conservative, so the media generally leaned in that direction too (let Bush slide on monumental screwups). Now that the country has shifted more toward the Democrats, the media is going nuts for Obama and MSNBC has become less bashful about its slant, as Fox News did during the early Bush years. I guarantee that as soon as Obama slips up, the right-wing section of the media will be heard from loud and clear once again.

That is total bs. Outside of Fox News which is decidedly conservative (with high ratings I might add) the other mainstream news channels are decidedly left. Any attempt to avoid this truth is foolhardy. The print media also leans left for the most part with exceptions to obviously cater to the other side. The ratings thing is BS as negative sells and there is always a way to spin it that way, often BASED on political leanings. Any attempt to say that the media let Bush slide on monumental screwups is laughable to say the least. The media is far more left than it is right and the sooner you realize it the more enlightened you can be.
Sometimes in life you have to concede that the reality may not be how you want it perceived but how it really is. I for the life of me cant understand why liberals deny that the majority of the mainstream media leans strongly their way? Why deny it? The evidence is so one sided that it is idiotic, paranoid and lazy to try to spin it any other way.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is total bs. Outside of Fox News which is decidedly conservative (with high ratings I might add) the other mainstream news channels are decidedly left. Any attempt to avoid this truth is foolhardy. The print media also leans left for the most part with exceptions to obviously cater to the other side. The ratings thing is BS as negative sells and there is always a way to spin it that way, often BASED on political leanings. Any attempt to say that the media let Bush slide on monumental screwups is laughable to say the least. The media is far more left than it is right and the sooner you realize it the more enlightened you can be.
Sometimes in life you have to concede that the reality may not be how you want it perceived but how it really is. I for the life of me cant understand why liberals deny that the majority of the mainstream media leans strongly their way? Why deny it? The evidence is so one sided that it is idiotic, paranoid and lazy to try to spin it any other way.

well put.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is total bs. Outside of Fox News which is decidedly conservative (with high ratings I might add) the other mainstream news channels are decidedly left. Any attempt to avoid this truth is foolhardy. The print media also leans left for the most part with exceptions to obviously cater to the other side. The ratings thing is BS as negative sells and there is always a way to spin it that way, often BASED on political leanings. Any attempt to say that the media let Bush slide on monumental screwups is laughable to say the least. The media is far more left than it is right and the sooner you realize it the more enlightened you can be.
Sometimes in life you have to concede that the reality may not be how you want it perceived but how it really is. I for the life of me cant understand why liberals deny that the majority of the mainstream media leans strongly their way? Why deny it? The evidence is so one sided that it is idiotic, paranoid and lazy to try to spin it any other way.

Yo honestly, the more I read, the more imbalanced and out of touch I think you are. This sounds so paranoid and incoherent, it's scary. Let me write your response so you don't have to:

"I'm older than you, I know more people than you, I train horses, I watch baseball, your opinion is insignificant. Nyah, nyah."

Oh and Wingnut, eat me. If you weren't so ignorant, you wouldn't have to put everyone who disagrees with you on ignore.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yo honestly, the more I read, the more imbalanced and out of touch I think you are. This sounds so paranoid and incoherent, it's scary. Let me write your response so you don't have to:

"I'm older than you, I know more people than you, I train horses, I watch baseball, your opinion is insignificant. Nyah, nyah."

Oh and Wingnut, eat me. If you weren't so ignorant, you wouldn't have to put everyone who disagrees with you on ignore.

That is very liberal of you. When faced with an opposing opinion lash out into personal attacks. I suppose that you are just following the template given to you by MoveOn.org. I'm sure that you feel only Fox News and the NY Post are the only outlets that aren't "fair and balanced". Why is it so hard for you to understand that the media is generally made up of people who are far more liberal on average than the country as a whole? Most journalism schools are headed by left leaning individuals and have been for a long time? Why wouldn't left leaning people, educated via left leaning institutions go on to lean left in their real world jobs?

I have lots of liberal friends. They dont take it as an insult when I call them liberals. You seem to take offense at that. Maybe if you stopped looking at the world in terms of black and white you might see that the other side occasionally has a good point and maybe, just maybe, show you something that you didn't see yourself.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yo honestly, the more I read, the more imbalanced and out of touch I think you are. This sounds so paranoid and incoherent, it's scary. Let me write your response so you don't have to:

"I'm older than you, I know more people than you, I train horses, I watch baseball, your opinion is insignificant. Nyah, nyah."

Oh and Wingnut, eat me. If you weren't so ignorant, you wouldn't have to put everyone who disagrees with you on ignore.

you would be the only one I have on ignore but since I can't put a "moderator" on ignore you'll have to ignore me

ignorant maybe - to the indoctrinated

name calling is what you do when you've lost an argument
when you only think what you've been told to think.

I never did get an answer to my question - What was so amazing about Barackovich? Outside of champaigining - I know of nothing he has done.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This is rich.

I'll be rich when the currency switches to bullets and bic lighters

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is total bs. Outside of Fox News which is decidedly conservative (with high ratings I might add) the other mainstream news channels are decidedly left. Any attempt to avoid this truth is foolhardy. The print media also leans left for the most part with exceptions to obviously cater to the other side. The ratings thing is BS as negative sells and there is always a way to spin it that way, often BASED on political leanings. Any attempt to say that the media let Bush slide on monumental screwups is laughable to say the least. The media is far more left than it is right and the sooner you realize it the more enlightened you can be.
Sometimes in life you have to concede that the reality may not be how you want it perceived but how it really is. I for the life of me cant understand why liberals deny that the majority of the mainstream media leans strongly their way? Why deny it? The evidence is so one sided that it is idiotic, paranoid and lazy to try to spin it any other way.

You must be joking about this part.
The vast majority of the media simply went along for the ride in 2002 without ever asking the administration the tough questions about a war that a lot of intelligent people realized at the time was a terrible idea.
Only after the U.S. invasion of Iraq turned into the unquestionable disaster that it became did the majority of the media finally turn on Bush. Are the majority of reporters probably Democrats? Yeah. But for the first two years of that miserable ass-hole's administration....the media as a whole was pretty much in love with him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by miraja2

You must be joking about this part.
The vast majority of the media simply went along for the ride in 2002 without ever asking the administration the tough questions about a war that a lot of intelligent people realized at the time was a terrible idea.
Only after the U.S. invasion of Iraq turned into the unquestionable disaster that it became did the majority of the media finally turn on Bush. Are the majority of reporters probably Democrats? Yeah. But for the first two years of that miserable ass-hole's administration....the media as a whole was pretty much in love with him.

Are you kidding? After a terrorist attack on the country you think that the media was going to go all left wing on Bush? Are you serious? Do you think editors wanted to get canned? The mood of the country was very apolitical at the time in case you have forgotten.