Egypt

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

This horse though? I wouldn't put him in the same category as any of these.

Just my opinion though.

Well, he was second to one of the top-rated juveniles in Ireland last year and the race at Santa Anita was atypically quality-laden, with the first two home coming out of stakes races and the first three finishers having pedigrees riddled with graded stakes horses.

But still, none of that shows he has the ability to compete in stakes competitively, which pretty much eliminates him from consideration in your average maiden special weight carded on the turf in North America.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Well, he was second to one of the top-rated juveniles in Ireland last year

Just for fun, let's take a look at the rest of that stellar field.

He beat home...

Little Bug (0-3-1 from 9)
Catalpa (O-1-0 from 8)
Naiazek (0-0-0 in 3 starts)
Venetian Dove (0-0-0 in 4 starts)
Oasis Sunset (1-0-1 from 5)
Aaroness (1-0-1 from 5)

Not trying to be a bitch... just having fun.

I really do hope this one improves. Good luck to his supporters.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Just for fun, let's take a look at the rest of that stellar field.

He beat home...

Little Bug (0-3-1 from 9)
Catalpa (O-1-0 from 8)
Naiazek (0-0-0 in 3 starts)
Venetian Dove (0-0-0 in 4 starts)
Oasis Sunset (1-0-1 from 5)
Aaroness (1-0-1 from 5)

Not trying to be a bitch... just having fun.

I really do hope this one improves. Good luck to his supporters.

You have your stats set and ready. I am impressed!

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

You have your stats set and ready. I am impressed!

Stepping away from the nice thread now, very slowly...

[my miss storm cat]

Sorry Hossy. I'll shut up now.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

All that was being talked about is this horse running in a MAIDEN race. I don't think anyone was trying to say the horse was going to win the BC Mile this year. He might not win next out and his trouble wasn't big. But, he did have a little bit and CSC makes a good point about Biancone, etc...

Precisely, we were just talking about a playback. I thought it was obvious.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by CSC

Precisely, we were just talking about a playback. I thought it was obvious.

The irony in all this is that, whereas MMSC had a valid point in saying that Egypt's Group races were a red herring for those who thought the horse was dropping significantly in class, in turn she made a comparable blunder by suggesting that those starts in a pacesetting role were somehow indicative of the colt's true ability.

[CSC]

This is somewhat off topic, but speaking of bad European form and Euro horses turning into stks winners rescued from the abyss, I remember(and I stress remember since I am not looking up stats from work) a horse named Dark Islander, mediocre european form but I do remember him somewhat turning it around over here. Obcourse you have others that go the other way also.

[NoChanceToDance]

Originally Posted by CSC

This is somewhat off topic, but speaking of bad European form and Euro horses turning into stks winners rescued from the abyss, I remember(and I stress remember since I am not looking up stats from work) a horse named Dark Islander, mediocre european form but I do remember him somewhat turning it around over here. Obcourse you have others that go the other way also.

Dark Islander had ability both before and after his initial trip to America, and his style of racing meant it was no surprise for many of us that he ran so well over there. Before he won at Santa Anita he was in good form at home. Comparing a horse like him to Egypt is like comparing chalk and cheese.

Dark Islander had shown form, whereas Egypt only ever showed he had a small amount of ability in one of his starts (when second to Arazan) and the winner apart, it wasn't a very good race.

His next start was of even worse quality, which was why he was sent of a 1-3 favourite. He finished fourth and never looked like winning. Looking very one-paced in the process. If you look at the write ups of his races, almost every race will say "kept on" and "one paced".

He was used as a pacesetter in some of the major races, but many because he could go from the front and set an honest gallop but once he got to that pace he didn't have any other gears.

I'm not saying he won't improve in America, but he will need to because he couldn't win a poor quality maiden race in Ireland.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance

Dark Islander had ability both before and after his initial trip to America, and his style of racing meant it was no surprise for many of us that he ran so well over there. Before he won at Santa Anita he was in good form at home. Comparing a horse like him to Egypt is like comparing chalk and cheese.

Dark Islander had shown form, whereas Egypt only ever showed he had a small amount of ability in one of his starts (when second to Arazan) and the winner apart, it wasn't a very good race.

His next start was of even worse quality, which was why he was sent of a 1-3 favourite. He finished fourth and never looked like winning. Looking very one-paced in the process. If you look at the write ups of his races, almost every race will say "kept on" and "one paced".

He was used as a pacesetter in some of the major races, but many because he could go from the front and set an honest gallop but once he got to that pace he didn't have any other gears.

I'm not saying he won't improve in America, but he will need to because he couldn't win a poor quality maiden race in Ireland.

I would agree with that assessment, I remember betting him that day he showed up at SA off non group 1 or 2 status races and winning a Gr 2 race off of that european form, that was more of the point of was making and really taking a stab that a listed stks winner could make the jump to an American stake, in this case the Oak Tree Derby. He turned out to be the right choice but at the time it was a tough choice to make.