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Old 01-12-2009, 04:17 PM
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I am not saying your opinion is wrong, but I don't see how 4.4 million is reasonable for a horse of the year, in foal to a horse of the year.

I agree that all the quotes in the media made it sound like she was going to sell though
She's 11, for one. Even if she is a HOY.
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Old 01-12-2009, 04:23 PM
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A full 2 year old sister to Island Fashion just went for only 65k, that is insanely low for her breeding
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Old 01-12-2009, 04:25 PM
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AZERI FAILS TO SELL AGAIN…$4.4M

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... but just as in November left a pavilion full of puzzled looks from spectators as she was led out of the ring. Leading up to the sale John Sikura, who consigned Azeri on behalf of owner Michael Paulson through his Hill ‘n’ Dale sales agency, was confident the mare would be sold. Sikura was one of the bidders, telling reporters he was active up until $4 million for his own interest, but said he was not certain what the reserve price was.

Another bidder was agent Paul Shanahan acting on behalf of Coolmore Stud. Shanahan bid at least $3.5 million for the mare. It isn’t clear if there was a live underbidder.
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:11 PM
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A full 2 year old sister to Island Fashion just went for only 65k, that is insanely low for her breeding
Note that she's also a full sister to the winless (4/0-0-0, $2,739) 6yo Tables Turned; the 8/1-0-0 ($11.700) 8yo Flash of Fashion; unraced 4yo and 3yo Big Shoes and Fame and Fashion.

$65,000 looks like a terrific number for a Petitionville 2yo in this market considering Island Fashion appears to simply be a freak out of an otherwise totally unproductive mare.
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Old 01-13-2009, 09:13 AM
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Note that she's also a full sister to the winless (4/0-0-0, $2,739) 6yo Tables Turned; the 8/1-0-0 ($11.700) 8yo Flash of Fashion; unraced 4yo and 3yo Big Shoes and Fame and Fashion.

$65,000 looks like a terrific number for a Petitionville 2yo in this market considering Island Fashion appears to simply be a freak out of an otherwise totally unproductive mare.
For a Full sister to a grade 1 winner that is still quite a bargin. I didnt see her but i would gather she is not very pretty
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Old 01-12-2009, 04:24 PM
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She's 11, for one. Even if she is a HOY.

that's true....it cost island fashion, who is 'only' 9 compared to azeri. knocked her value in half from just a couple years ago.
one would have to think tho that her value, coupled with the prospective foal, would still mean being worth more than the highest bid today.

he should have sold her last september.
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Old 01-12-2009, 04:30 PM
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She's 11, for one. Even if she is a HOY.
what's the "reasonable" timeframe for a mare to effectively produce? I would think even at 11, she's good for 3 or 4 more...
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Old 01-12-2009, 05:14 PM
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Because she raced through age 6 Azeri is well behind in terms of production. By this age most mares have foals at the track, even in the shed. She's 11 and has no quantifiable production record because she has no foals to race. (I think she was barren at age 7.) She could reasonably be expected to produce 4 or even 5 more foals but if the first two don't pan out, how much will you get for the ones you breed out of her.

Despite her exceptional career, right now Azeri is an 11yo mare with no production record and average breeding. Yes, she's a legend (I was a huge fan) but when it comes to dollars and cents, you have to be analytical.

As for those little foals, I always feel bad for babies like that. Poor little things are a few days old and standing in the sales ring after having to stand there in the January cold wondering what the he!! is going on. They are cute though. At least the buyer gets to look over the baby they are getting.
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Old 01-12-2009, 05:34 PM
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Earlier this year, Paulson - son of the late Allen Paulson, Azeri's breeder and owner - bought back Azeri's A.P. Indy colt, Vallenzeri, for a record buy-back price of $7.7 million at the Keeneland September yearling sale. Although Paulson had solicited private offers after the auction, he now has the colt entered in Keeneland's April 2-year-old sale with consignor Eddie Woods.
Asked whether Vallenzeri's $7.7 million buy-back might have dampened buyers' confidence that he was serious about selling Azeri, Paulson said: "I can't speak for other people, but, obviously, if they were in my shoes and had a living female Horse of the Year, the only three-time Eclipse Award-winning older mare champion ever, they would be in the same position I was in. I adjusted our reserve to reflect the market, but she has a value, and I was going to let her go for extremely good value, but unfortunately we're victims of the global financial market."

Paulson indicated Monday that banks that hold Azeri and other horses in the Allen E. Paulson Living Trust as collateral had significant input on Azeri's reserve. Paulson said he is trying to "get it into position where we can wrap up the trust business in the next year and a half."

That means all of the trust's horses will have to be sold in that time frame, he said.
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Old 01-12-2009, 05:51 PM
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I would rather an Azeri then an Ashado... Ashado sold for like 8plus mil and she couldn't eat out of Azeri's feed bucket on her best day
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:23 PM
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I would rather an Azeri then an Ashado... Ashado sold for like 8plus mil and she couldn't eat out of Azeri's feed bucket on her best day
but i think you could make a better argument for ashado's pedigree than azeri's. i'd take a saint ballado over a jade hunter any day.
azeri would have sold for that amount a year ago. now, a year older, and the market's in the tank...
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:38 PM
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but i think you could make a better argument for ashado's pedigree than azeri's. i'd take a saint ballado over a jade hunter any day.
azeri would have sold for that amount a year ago. now, a year older, and the market's in the tank...
DrugS and I bred are Tiznow mare to a St B Stallion so you don't have to pitch anything Halo to me but Ashado was a paper champion Azeri was beast.. Jade Hunter or not I still believe in Azeri over perhaps the most fortunate multiple G1 winner of all time
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:46 AM
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Because she raced through age 6 Azeri is well behind in terms of production. By this age most mares have foals at the track, even in the shed. She's 11 and has no quantifiable production record because she has no foals to race. (I think she was barren at age 7.) She could reasonably be expected to produce 4 or even 5 more foals but if the first two don't pan out, how much will you get for the ones you breed out of her.

Despite her exceptional career, right now Azeri is an 11yo mare with no production record and average breeding. Yes, she's a legend (I was a huge fan) but when it comes to dollars and cents, you have to be analytical.
I think the age thing has pretty much been dismissed . It's only an issue for the buyer for driving down the price . Age makes no difference in the quality of the foals .
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:50 AM
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Because she raced through age 6 Azeri is well behind in terms of production. By this age most mares have foals at the track, even in the shed. She's 11 and has no quantifiable production record because she has no foals to race. (I think she was barren at age 7.) She could reasonably be expected to produce 4 or even 5 more foals but if the first two don't pan out, how much will you get for the ones you breed out of her.

Despite her exceptional career, right now Azeri is an 11yo mare with no production record and average breeding. Yes, she's a legend (I was a huge fan) but when it comes to dollars and cents, you have to be analytical.

As for those little foals, I always feel bad for babies like that. Poor little things are a few days old and standing in the sales ring after having to stand there in the January cold wondering what the he!! is going on. They are cute though. At least the buyer gets to look over the baby they are getting.
I think a 7.7mil RNA INDY is a production value record even if the colts value was inflated..
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Old 01-13-2009, 11:40 AM
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No difference in the quality of the foals but in the # of foals you can expect to get from her, assuming good health and an average lifespan.

Also, since Vallenzeri is not exactly bred to be a hotshot 2yo (or even an early 3yo type) it means that the potential buyer would have to wait that much longer for Azeri's strength or weakness to show. From a buyers point of view, I'd like to see a mare with a 2yo by Speightstown or other "2yo sire" because there is a greater chance that early wins by that foal make the one the mare is carrying more useful and therefor more valuable at auction.

Remember too that the market was not kind to mares like Winning Colors and Lady's Secret after their early foals were not that good. If Azeri's first 3 or 4 foals struggle at the races do you think tht her 5th (born when she's about 17) will sell for a lot of money? I don't.
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No difference in the quality of the foals but in the # of foals you can expect to get from her, assuming good health and an average lifespan.

Also, since Vallenzeri is not exactly bred to be a hotshot 2yo (or even an early 3yo type) it means that the potential buyer would have to wait that much longer for Azeri's strength or weakness to show. From a buyers point of view, I'd like to see a mare with a 2yo by Speightstown or other "2yo sire" because there is a greater chance that early wins by that foal make the one the mare is carrying more useful and therefor more valuable at auction.

Remember too that the market was not kind to mares like Winning Colors and Lady's Secret after their early foals were not that good. If Azeri's first 3 or 4 foals struggle at the races do you think tht her 5th (born when she's about 17) will sell for a lot of money? I don't.
Yeah I know all about Sky Beauty and the frogs she spit out but Maplejinsky and her line which is reasonably close to Sky Beauty did great work... I just hated Ashado thought she was a Pletcher chem job that never distinguished herself as anything special and i am glad the shiek has her.. She will eat well have the best medical care and hopefully never toss anything from her chemically infused body..lol
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Yeah I know all about Sky Beauty and the frogs she spit out but Maplejinsky and her line which is reasonably close to Sky Beauty did great work... I just hated Ashado thought she was a Pletcher chem job that never distinguished herself as anything special and i am glad the shiek has her.. She will eat well have the best medical care and hopefully never toss anything from her chemically infused body..lol

HAHA, tell us what you really think of TAP?
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I just hated Ashado..
Me too..
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