Duke/Davidson

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Thanks for telling me to go to an NBA game. I've never been.

Again, you've missed my point. I don't care if NBA guys are assholes, my problem is that the NBA is so dry. It largely doesn't matter to these players whether they win or lose. That's gay, no matter how good the players are.

I cover high school basketball in the city and I enjoy the hell out of it, moreso than NBA games. Why? Because these kids live and die for basketball. Many of them are trying to play their way into a scholarship, others are just doing it because they love it. It's basketball at its purest, if not at its cleanest. There aren't seven zillion TV timeouts, halftime show inanity, or players that are treated like Gods. It's more than just some **** they have to do in order to get paid eight figures a year and secure endorsement deals.

College hoops is similar. Most kids aren't going to the NBA, and every season, thousands of players take their last steps on a basketball court in front of a crowd. Therefore, they're going to want to win more than NBA players, to keep their careers going. So they bust their asses and give us great games against other kids not wanting their careers to end. That's fake drama? What the hell would be real drama then?

I think that it is funny that you think that the best players in the world are not trying, they just go through the motions. You are letting all the periphrial stuff get in the way of the game on the court. College games are not well played basketball in most cases. The game was far better when the players stayed for 4 years. A team like North carolina is dominant simply because the players stay around and are talented for the NCAA level. Compare this period of UNC to the priod in the mid 80's where they has Jordan, Worthy, Perkins, etc and were not nearly as dominant. The game is just played at a lower level than it used to be. And dont bother with the NBA was better with Bird, magic etc because the truth was that there were only a few competitive clubs back then. There are 3 serious teams in the NBA this year and about 10 that arent far behind.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think that it is funny that you think that the best players in the world are not trying, they just go through the motions. You are letting all the periphrial stuff get in the way of the game on the court. College games are not well played basketball in most cases. The game was far better when the players stayed for 4 years. A team like North carolina is dominant simply because the players stay around and are talented for the NCAA level. Compare this period of UNC to the priod in the mid 80's where they has Jordan, Worthy, Perkins, etc and were not nearly as dominant. The game is just played at a lower level than it used to be. And dont bother with the NBA was better with Bird, magic etc because the truth was that there were only a few competitive clubs back then. There are 3 serious teams in the NBA this year and about 10 that arent far behind.

I didn't say they're not trying, but theoretically it doesn't really matter if they win or lose. Some players get torn up over losses, I don't think most do. It can't be as important to them as it is to college hoops players. Plus like I said, the fans, announcers and referees are all terrible. There's more to basketball than the quality of play.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I didn't say they're not trying, but theoretically it doesn't really matter if they win or lose. Some players get torn up over losses, I don't think most do. It can't be as important to them as it is to college hoops players. Plus like I said, the fans, announcers and referees are all terrible. There's more to basketball than the quality of play.

And if you think that clooege players get torn up over each loss you are sadly mistaken. You simply are repeating a myth that is untrue. Why wouldn't their JOB be more important than a college players? They have contracts that they are also playing for, they dont have lifetime deals. And I dont know what games you watch but the quality of announcers in the college game is pitiful.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And if you think that clooege players get torn up over each loss you are sadly mistaken. You simply are repeating a myth that is untrue. Why wouldn't their JOB be more important than a college players? They have contracts that they are also playing for, they dont have lifetime deals. And I dont know what games you watch but the quality of announcers in the college game is pitiful.

Unless you're on a 10-day contract or an undrafted rookie, nobody's playing for any jobs in the NBA, and those guys barely get any playing time anyway. The amount of guaranteed money in the NBA is one of the reasons it's such a joke and so boring. It's also another reason why football kicks the crap out of it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Unless you're on a 10-day contract or an undrafted rookie, nobody's playing for any jobs in the NBA, and those guys barely get any playing time anyway. The amount of guaranteed money in the NBA is one of the reasons it's such a joke and so boring. It's also another reason why football kicks the crap out of it.

I give up....

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I give up....

What was wrong about what I said? LeBrick James is playing for his job?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What was wrong about what I said? LeBrick James is playing for his job?

Thank you Mr Cliche who would rather watch Rider/Drexel because they play hard.

[SniperSB23]

Updated my tourney projection Phil, these are all based on final predicted records and final predicted RPI from RPIforecast.com which uses the Sagarin predictor to determine a probability for every game and likely final records. So if you have a gripe with the final records that isn't my call. For instance, I don't think Arkansas is an 8-8 team in the SEC like Sagarin does. Regardless, Notre Dame probably gets in but Cincy and Providence won't even be sniffing the bubble.

Last teams in

Seed Team Conf RPI Rec
11 Purdue B10 41.2 21-10
11 San Diego St. MWC 42.0 19-8
11 Notre Dame BE 53.3 18-11
11 Utah St. WAC 43.2 25-4
12 Rhode Island A10 50.8 23-8
12 Stanford P10 58.7 20-9
12 Arkansas SEC 59.7 20-9
12 Boston College ACC 63.8 20-11

First teams out
South Carolina SEC 62.7 20-9
Nevada Las Vegas MWC 53.9 21-9
Minnesota B10 54.9 19-10
Florida St. ACC 47.0 19-12
Michigan B10 47.2 18-12
Evansville MVC 57.2 17-9
Temple A10 46.0 18-12
Niagara MAAC 50.5 24-6
Creighton MVC 68.4 22-8
Southern California P10 68.7 18-12
Maryland ACC 57.1 18-12

Full list:

1 North Carolina ACC 4.5 25-4
1 Pittsburgh BE 3.5 26-4
1 Duke ACC 1.7 26-5
1 Connecticut BE 5.4 25-5
2 Oklahoma B12 10.3 25-6
2 Clemson ACC 9.3 25-5
2 Georgetown BE 10.3 22-7
3 Michigan St. B10 16.1 22-8
2 West Virginia BE 9.7 24-7
3 Arizona St. P10 18.0 24-6
3 Wake Forest ACC 16.7 23-6
3 Tennessee SEC 10.9 21-9
4 Gonzaga WCC 32.5 23-5
4 Missouri B12 18.8 24-6
4 Xavier A10 17.0 24-6
4 Memphis CUSA 21.1 24-7
5 Texas B12 21.4 21-9
5 Butler HOR 18.0 24-3
5 Illinois B10 22.8 23-8
5 Syracuse BE 22.6 22-8
6 Kansas B12 22.7 22-9
6 Villanova BE 28.5 22-9
6 California P10 31.6 23-8
6 UCLA P10 35.3 23-8
7 Brigham Young MWC 26.4 23-6
7 Washington P10 31.4 21-9
7 Marquette BE 31.6 22-9
7 Davidson SC 45.3 25-4
8 Dayton A10 32.8 25-6
8 Kentucky SEC 35.4 22-9
8 Utah MWC 25.0 21-8
8 Ohio St. B10 36.7 20-9
9 Baylor B12 25.9 21-8
9 Illinois St. MVC 38.5 25-4
9 Louisville BE 36.0 20-10
9 Florida SEC 39.7 23-8
10 Oklahoma St. B12 30.6 20-10
10 Miami FL ACC 40.3 18-10
10 Kansas St. B12 47.4 22-8
10 St. Mary's WCC 58.3 21-5
11 Purdue B10 41.2 21-10
11 San Diego St. MWC 42.0 19-8
11 Notre Dame BE 53.3 18-11
11 Utah St. WAC 43.2 25-4
12 Rhode Island A10 50.8 23-8
12 Stanford P10 58.7 20-9
12 Arkansas SEC 59.7 20-9
12 Boston College ACC 63.8 20-11
13 Siena MAAC 44.9 21-8
13 George Mason CAA 52.0 21-7
13 Miami OH MAC 52.3 19-9
13 Western Kentucky SB 85.5 18-10
14 Belmont ASUN 95.8 20-9
14 American PAT 96.5 18-10
14 Virginia Military Inst BS 98.0 19-6
14 Portland St. BSKY 98.0 19-7
15 Stephen F. Austin SLC 100.5 16-8
15 Vermont AE 104.5 21-8
15 North Dakota St. SUM 118.5 18-8
15 Cornell IVY 130.4 19-9
16 Pacific BW 131.3 17-9
16 Mount St. Mary's NEC 135.9 17-12
16 Jacksonville St. OVC 140.2 15-10
PI Morgan St. MEAC 153.3 17-12
PI Jackson St. SWAC 235.3 14-16