Spa jockey/agent title race

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Noone has cut into Johnny's business except johnny and Angel.
I know most won't understand what i am saying but I will try again. trainers like to ride a guy on a horse, especially a good one, that they think the jock will ride back. In Johnny's case its almost impossible for Angel to promise that. he has to ride for Todd, thats part of the deal. So he cant commit to a horse past one race for another trainer,
he got henny Hughes because todd didnt have a horse running in the Kings Bishop, doesnt have one pointing towards the Vosburgh, and doesnt have one pointing at the BC sprint. Therefore Angel was able to give Kiarin a three race committment. I know for a fact from Coa's agent who is afriend of mine that he was the other guy being considered. If Angel had not been able to give a three race committment with Todd's blessing, Coa would haev ridden him on saturday.
But in most cases Angel can't give anything more than a one race committment, and thats always gonna cost you. Trainers have huge egos and hate being second fiddle.

Of course that is a factor. If a trainer has a good horse like Henny, he's going to want a committment from a jock.

When you ride first call for a guy, there are definitely some negatives. But overall, riding first call for Pletcher is a huge positive. It got JV $20 million in purses last year and an Eclipse award. It usually pretty much guarantees him that he will be on at least 20% winners for Pletcher because Pletcher's win percenatge is always over 20%.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Of course that is a factor. If a trainer has a good horse like Henny, he's going to want a committment from a jock.

When you ride first call for a guy, there are definitely some negatives. But overall, riding first call for Pletcher is a huge positive. It got JV $20 million in purses last year and an Eclipse award. It usually pretty much guarantees him that he will be on at least 20% winners for Pletcher because Pletcher's win percenatge is always over 20%.

Rupert OF COURSE thats the point, I agree 100%. The deal they have made with todd virtually gurantees them a million-2 million a year in income. In addition there is more to it than you may know! Angel is still considered the best exercise rider around here. Hes still magic on a horse. By giving thjem this deal it frees Angel from having to hustle mounts in the morning and as a result he exercises for todd all morning.
Its the perfect business deal for everyone involved. Its guranteed income for Angel and johnny and Todd is guranteed Johnny on his horses in the afternoon and Angel on his horses in the morning.
All I'm saying is that its unrealistic to expect them to ever win a title again as far as most wins go. Angel can't hustle catch mounts, nor does he want to, lol. He gets to do whathe loves each morning and make a ton of cash each year.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Rupert OF COURSE thats the point, I agree 100%. The deal they have made with todd virtually gurantees them a million-2 million a year in income. In addition there is more to it than you may know! Angel is still considered the best exercise rider around here. Hes still magic on a horse. By giving thjem this deal it frees Angel from having to hustle mounts in the morning and as a result he exercises for todd all morning.
Its the perfect business deal for everyone involved. Its guranteed income for Angel and johnny and Todd is guranteed Johnny on his horses in the afternoon and Angel on his horses in the morning.
All I'm saying is that its unrealistic to expect them to ever win a title again as far as most wins go. Angel can't hustle catch mounts, nor does he want to, lol. He gets to do whathe loves each morning and make a ton of cash each year.

JV's win percenatge is still way down this meet. He usually does better than 15% winners.

By the way, didn't JV have the most wins at some meets last year? I thought he was leading rider quite often in terms of wins the last few years in New York.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

JV's win percenatge is still way down this meet. He usually does better than 15% winners.

By the way, didn't JV have the most wins at some meets last year? I thought he was leading rider quite often in terms of wins the last few years in New York.

He wasnt last year. They cut back on riding claimers and cheaper horses. His percentage is down because Todd's is down and if you go back and look at the charts you will see him not riding for one powerful stable other than Todd's. His catch mounts are dreadful. I bet if you took his average odds on horses other than Todds you would find them to be quite high for a rider of his magnitude. But richi you have to understand, LOL!!!, in the morning the other agents are seen are all over the backsides in their golf carts hitting each barn like salesman on a route trying to get mounts. Then you see Angel come out with this red flak vest on another pletcher mount and breeze 5/8th's on Flower Alley! LOL!!