Spa jockey/agent title race

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Sure thing, doc.

Velasquez is the one who said that is 100%

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Velasquez is the one who said that is 100%

Of course he's going to say that.

Do you actually believe he is the same rider he was before the injury? Please tell me you do because the stats say otherwise. Obviously the guy is not 100% right now. But he will be and i'll flat out say that he'll repeat as top jock at Gulfstream this winter.

He sure looks 100% to me. But he simply doesnt get the mounts on a daily basis to compete for a win title. Now if you want to accuse me of redboarding i can show you the post i made before the meet began in which i stated that Prado was 3-5 to win the title in my mind. Its there, look it up.
If hes riding so badly then explain to me all the bad rides hes given and cite examples. hes not. just because the public bets a Pletcher horse down doesnt give it a shot. His catch mounts are just awful and I dont really think he or Angel care. They are all about the money.

Originally Posted by oracle80

He sure looks 100% to me. But he simply doesnt get the mounts on a daily basis to compete for a win title. Now if you want to accuse me of redboarding i can show you the post i made before the meet began in which i stated that Prado was 3-5 to win the title in my mind. Its there, look it up.
If hes riding so badly then explain to me all the bad rides hes given and cite examples. hes not. just because the public bets a Pletcher horse down doesnt give it a shot. His catch mounts are just awful and I dont really think he or Angel care. They are all about the money.

Gomez has really cut into John's business due to the injury. Maybe i'm wrong and he is 100% physically and mentally.

If John didn't suffer the injury the goo goo ga ga over Gomez would probably be about his meet at Del Mar.

[Gander]

If John didn't suffer the injury the goo goo ga ga over Gomez would probably be about his meet at Del Mar

It was well documented by many on here that this wouldnt or couldnt happen. That as soon as he got healthy, Gomez would be out of here! Cmmon get real, stop making excuses for John V. Hes just not winning his usual amount of races. Deal with it. Maybe he'll have a way better Belmont meet and maybe if hes lucky Garrett will go back to the sunny California shore.

[Gander]

By the way the reason Kent D failed to win a race yesterday was he was involved in a car accident on Saturday night and still sore. You want excuses, I have some too.

Originally Posted by Gander

If John didn't suffer the injury the goo goo ga ga over Gomez would probably be about his meet at Del Mar

It was well documented by many on here that this wouldnt or couldnt happen. That as soon as he got healthy, Gomez would be out of here! Cmmon get real, stop making excuses for John V. Hes just not winning his usual amount of races. Deal with it. Maybe he'll have a way better Belmont meet and maybe if hes lucky Garrett will go back to the sunny California shore.

Tim don't you get it. he won't have a "way better meet' at belmont. His meets depend upon Todd's success. he doesnt want Angel naming him on cheap claimers, and rides very few. And if hes riding so bad why can't just one guy here name soem bad rides he gave. Other than Vig, I can't think of any case where he cost a horse a win.

Originally Posted by Gander

If John didn't suffer the injury the goo goo ga ga over Gomez would probably be about his meet at Del Mar

It was well documented by many on here that this wouldnt or couldnt happen. That as soon as he got healthy, Gomez would be out of here! Cmmon get real, stop making excuses for John V. Hes just not winning his usual amount of races. Deal with it. Maybe he'll have a way better Belmont meet and maybe if hes lucky Garrett will go back to the sunny California shore.

I'm already over it. The only reason why I responded because it seems like everyday there is a Gomez thread and Velazquez is getting slammed in it. Rest assured when Gomez has a dry spell I won't come on here and make a bunch of posts just to get under a Gomez fans skin. I know Gomez is a great rider. Even the best have a cold streak. But you would think by reading the posts about John V. is that he's somehow less of a rider than Gomez and Prado and that is simply not the case.

You know John is great when there is a thread about him because of a cold streak. If threads were made for every jockey in the top 100 who has a cold streak the site would probably slow to a crawl due to all of the bandwidth being used up.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Gomez has really cut into John's business due to the injury. Maybe i'm wrong and he is 100% physically and mentally.

If John didn't suffer the injury the goo goo ga ga over Gomez would probably be about his meet at Del Mar.

Noone has cut into Johnny's business except johnny and Angel.
I know most won't understand what i am saying but I will try again. trainers like to ride a guy on a horse, especially a good one, that they think the jock will ride back. In Johnny's case its almost impossible for Angel to promise that. he has to ride for Todd, thats part of the deal. So he cant commit to a horse past one race for another trainer,
he got henny Hughes because todd didnt have a horse running in the Kings Bishop, doesnt have one pointing towards the Vosburgh, and doesnt have one pointing at the BC sprint. Therefore Angel was able to give Kiarin a three race committment. I know for a fact from Coa's agent who is afriend of mine that he was the other guy being considered. If Angel had not been able to give a three race committment with Todd's blessing, Coa would haev ridden him on saturday.
But in most cases Angel can't give anything more than a one race committment, and thats always gonna cost you. Trainers have huge egos and hate being second fiddle.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Noone has cut into Johnny's business except johnny and Angel.
I know most won't understand what i am saying but I will try again. trainers like to ride a guy on a horse, especially a good one, that they think the jock will ride back. In Johnny's case its almost impossible for Angel to promise that. he has to ride for Todd, thats part of the deal. So he cant commit to a horse past one race for another trainer,
he got henny Hughes because todd didnt have a horse running in the Kings Bishop, doesnt have one pointing towards the Vosburgh, and doesnt have one pointing at the BC sprint. Therefore Angel was able to give Kiarin a three race committment. I know for a fact from Coa's agent who is afriend of mine that he was the other guy being considered. If Angel had not been able to give a three race committment with Todd's blessing, Coa would haev ridden him on saturday.
But in most cases Angel can't give anything more than a one race committment, and thats always gonna cost you. Trainers have huge egos and hate being second fiddle.

Of course that is a factor. If a trainer has a good horse like Henny, he's going to want a committment from a jock.

When you ride first call for a guy, there are definitely some negatives. But overall, riding first call for Pletcher is a huge positive. It got JV $20 million in purses last year and an Eclipse award. It usually pretty much guarantees him that he will be on at least 20% winners for Pletcher because Pletcher's win percenatge is always over 20%.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Of course that is a factor. If a trainer has a good horse like Henny, he's going to want a committment from a jock.

When you ride first call for a guy, there are definitely some negatives. But overall, riding first call for Pletcher is a huge positive. It got JV $20 million in purses last year and an Eclipse award. It usually pretty much guarantees him that he will be on at least 20% winners for Pletcher because Pletcher's win percenatge is always over 20%.

Rupert OF COURSE thats the point, I agree 100%. The deal they have made with todd virtually gurantees them a million-2 million a year in income. In addition there is more to it than you may know! Angel is still considered the best exercise rider around here. Hes still magic on a horse. By giving thjem this deal it frees Angel from having to hustle mounts in the morning and as a result he exercises for todd all morning.
Its the perfect business deal for everyone involved. Its guranteed income for Angel and johnny and Todd is guranteed Johnny on his horses in the afternoon and Angel on his horses in the morning.
All I'm saying is that its unrealistic to expect them to ever win a title again as far as most wins go. Angel can't hustle catch mounts, nor does he want to, lol. He gets to do whathe loves each morning and make a ton of cash each year.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Rupert OF COURSE thats the point, I agree 100%. The deal they have made with todd virtually gurantees them a million-2 million a year in income. In addition there is more to it than you may know! Angel is still considered the best exercise rider around here. Hes still magic on a horse. By giving thjem this deal it frees Angel from having to hustle mounts in the morning and as a result he exercises for todd all morning.
Its the perfect business deal for everyone involved. Its guranteed income for Angel and johnny and Todd is guranteed Johnny on his horses in the afternoon and Angel on his horses in the morning.
All I'm saying is that its unrealistic to expect them to ever win a title again as far as most wins go. Angel can't hustle catch mounts, nor does he want to, lol. He gets to do whathe loves each morning and make a ton of cash each year.

JV's win percenatge is still way down this meet. He usually does better than 15% winners.

By the way, didn't JV have the most wins at some meets last year? I thought he was leading rider quite often in terms of wins the last few years in New York.