luka$$ fading

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

now you wanna come at me personally mike(oracle)? you really dont wanna go that route when it comes to "morals". i dont care whether luka$$ wins or loses a 100 races in row the guys still a pr ick at the end of the day. hmmmmmm nobody had no comment bout him being a self cenetered a$ shole and talking the owners into running TCAS in the derby.........gee i wonder why. you also mentioned jordan whos arguably the most successful and greatest athlete ever and played in the city i hailed from. i loved watchin the guy on the court as much as any1 but hes also a cheat off the court amongst other things. just because you got prior success and money doesnt make you a saint as a person.......lol were some of you part of the jury during the oj trial?


hey debbie you really think antley ditched his wife and his unborn? cmon, you get blinded that easily? chris was murdered and the guy you got the hots for gary stevens pretty much believes the same thing amongst other people. allen jerkins is still getting the job done, we had a trainer in a wheelchair saddle a horse in the derby this year and you people wanna use age as a excuse for his decline in his particular profession? of course d wayne dont care how good or bad he does, its not his millions getting flushed down the toilet.


luka$$' comments after "jockey" appeared on hbo just restated how much of a pri ck he is in saying he wouldnt feel sorry for shane sellers or any other jockey who drives 2 mercedes. well without those jocks d wayne dont feel sorry for he wins zero races and doesnt achieve the money and fame he did. you guys can talk 2 me till your blue in your collective faces about him, hes still a a$$hole

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

now you wanna come at me personally mike(oracle)? you really dont wanna go that route when it comes to "morals". i dont care whether luka$$ wins or loses a 100 races in row the guys still a pr ick at the end of the day. hmmmmmm nobody had no comment bout him being a self cenetered a$ shole and talking the owners into running TCAS in the derby.........gee i wonder why. you also mentioned jordan whos arguably the most successful and greatest athlete ever and played in the city i hailed from. i loved watchin the guy on the court as much as any1 but hes also a cheat off the court amongst other things. just because you got prior success and money doesnt make you a saint as a person.......lol were some of you part of the jury during the oj trial?


hey debbie you really think antley ditched his wife and his unborn? cmon, you get blinded that easily? chris was murdered and the guy you got the hots for gary stevens pretty much believes the same thing amongst other people. allen jerkins is still getting the job done, we had a trainer in a wheelchair saddle a horse in the derby this year and you people wanna use age as a excuse for his decline in his particular profession? of course d wayne dont care how good or bad he does, its not his millions getting flushed down the toilet

luka$$' comments after "jockey" appeared on hbo just restated how much of a pri ck he is in saying he wouldnt feel sorry for shane sellers or any other jockey who drives 2 mercedes. well without those jocks d wayne dont feel sorry for he wins zero races and doesnt achieve the money and fame he did. you guys can talk 2 me till your blue in your collective faces about him, hes still a a$$hole

I'm sorry but noone cares about junkies Playa, junkies are a dime a dozen and a waste of space on this earth.

[Crown@club]

.....And he rips into PVal all the time. Dare I say the H word?

Monipenny, you do have some great points. I don't remember ever insulting Lukas's work ethic or committment. I have read the book on Charismatic and Lukas is quoted in there many times as saying how he missed the boat and screwed up with Charismatic. How he didn't think he was that good and had been concentrating on his other horses.
You wanted some facts on horses breaking down, well Richi just got done telling you some insurance companies won't even touch his horses. You think Pletcher and others have that problem? His also noted hsi 2 year olds were taking steroids. I'm sure that has nothing to do with all his breakdowns or the fact that he never had any talent training with older horses.
Listen, this guy has had many accomplishments, but blindly supporting him like you and others are doing is riduculous.

Also, why has no Lukas supporter offered up a real reason that this guy has been terrible the past few years? Don't give me his sons injury. THis was very trajic, buy many great trainers and coaches have had bad things happen and their life and none of them have gone from a 30% winner to a 5% winner.
The way I see it there are a couple possible explanations. Lukas isn't getting near the quality of horses he used to. I don't think anyone would argue with this, but that really makes all of his accomplishments look like they only occurred because he had all the money for all the best horses. Or, he was ahead of the time on the pharmacy end of the sport and everyone caught up. If this is the case it makes all his accomplishments look like they were based on chemicals not his talent.
Don't tell me it's his age. If that was true, we would see a gradual downfall ove r the years not this. Plus many great trainers have continued to be great at his age.
SO why does he suddenly struggle so bad?

[Crown@club]

A good friend always help you out with your faults.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

now you wanna come at me personally mike(oracle)? you really dont wanna go that route when it comes to "morals". i dont care whether luka$$ wins or loses a 100 races in row the guys still a pr ick at the end of the day. hmmmmmm nobody had no comment bout him being a self cenetered a$ shole and talking the owners into running TCAS in the derby.........gee i wonder why. you also mentioned jordan whos arguably the most successful and greatest athlete ever and played in the city i hailed from. i loved watchin the guy on the court as much as any1 but hes also a cheat off the court amongst other things. just because you got prior success and money doesnt make you a saint as a person.......lol were some of you part of the jury during the oj trial?


hey debbie you really think antley ditched his wife and his unborn? cmon, you get blinded that easily? chris was murdered and the guy you got the hots for gary stevens pretty much believes the same thing amongst other people. allen jerkins is still getting the job done, we had a trainer in a wheelchair saddle a horse in the derby this year and you people wanna use age as a excuse for his decline in his particular profession? of course d wayne dont care how good or bad he does, its not his millions getting flushed down the toilet.


luka$$' comments after "jockey" appeared on hbo just restated how much of a pri ck he is in saying he wouldnt feel sorry for shane sellers or any other jockey who drives 2 mercedes. well without those jocks d wayne dont feel sorry for he wins zero races and doesnt achieve the money and fame he did. you guys can talk 2 me till your blue in your collective faces about him, hes still a a$$hole

lol, i mention a guy is good looking, and now i have the hots for him? and that means i think he's sherlock holmes or something? or that because he can ride a horse he knows more than the cops? nah, that guy said RHT was one of the best he ever rode. that's enough to tell me not to believe much of what he says.....
and yes, i do think CA ditched his family. he was an addict, and he wasn't strong enough to overcome it. do i think he intended to DIE? no. but his actions led to his demise, to his wife being a widow, and his child born already half an orphan. saving a horse no more makes antley a hero than running thousand yard seasons made oj a good person!
and i KNEW richi would show up in this thread.
funny, i was just reading in bloodhorse about the rampant steroid use by so many trainers.
as for hendricks..a lot of trainers get the good horse. that's luck. lukas had a ton of them, that's skill.

also, i must be an *******, i don't feel bad for drivers of two mercedes either.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

lol, i mention a guy is good looking, and now i have the hots for him? and that means i think he's sherlock holmes or something? or that because he can ride a horse he knows more than the cops? nah, that guy said RHT was one of the best he ever rode. that's enough to tell me not to believe much of what he says.....
and yes, i do think CA ditched his family. he was an addict, and he wasn't strong enough to overcome it. do i think he intended to DIE? no. but his actions led to his demise, to his wife being a widow, and his child born already half an orphan. saving a horse no more makes antley a hero than running thousand yard seasons made oj a good person!
and i KNEW richi would show up in this thread.
funny, i was just reading in bloodhorse about the rampant steroid use by so many trainers.
as for hendricks..a lot of trainers get the good horse. that's luck. lukas had a ton of them, that's skill.

also, i must be an *******, i don't feel bad for drivers of two mercedes either.

I live here in Cali and the whole C.A. thing is old, the whole time Chris was on T.V. being interviewed about him kicking his "demons" after he won the Derby was such crap its unreal . I was at a party that he was at about a week after he won the Preakness , the guy was so ripped when he walked in the door that he was there 5 mins and started a fight with Matt Garcia over some 17 yr. old girl that he thought was his "date".
That being said, I do believe Chris met with foul play regarding his death, there were just to many things that didnt make sense and not nearly enough investigating of the people that were on his property when he was found
dead.
As for Lukas , you can respect him for his ability to get one ready and ruin one quicker than anybody , nobody has ever done a finer job.

Originally Posted by Honu

I live here in Cali and the whole C.A. thing is old, the whole time Chris was on T.V. being interviewed about him kicking his "demons" after he won the Derby was such crap its unreal . I was at a party that he was at about a week after he won the Preakness , the guy was so ripped when he walked in the door that he was there 5 mins and started a fight with Matt Garcia over some 17 yr. old girl that he thought was his "date".
That being said, I do believe Chris met with foul play regarding his death, there were just to many things that didnt make sense and not nearly enough investigating of the people that were on his property when he was found
dead.
As for Lukas , you can respect him for his ability to get one ready and ruin one quicker than anybody , nobody has ever done a finer job.

Honu!!! great to see you here! Honu I wasnt defending Lukas' breaking down horses. BUt I was a littel sickened about the wishing bad luck part. Guy suffers every day over Jeff. That was what lit my fire. I'm not saying he is St. Wayne.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Honu!!! great to see you here! Honu I wasnt defending Lukas' breaking down horses. BUt I was a littel sickened about the wishing bad luck part. Guy suffers every day over Jeff. That was what lit my fire. I'm not saying he is St. Wayne.

Hey Oracle, I would never wish bad luck on anyone , well excpet for the jerks that broke into my car and stole my 2003 breeders cup jacket.
Wayne Lukas has accomplished alot of things that most likely wont be repeated in my lifetime......still doesnt mean I like the way he trains,thats just me.
To wish someone bad luck is inviting your own karma.

Originally Posted by Honu

Hey Oracle, I would never wish bad luck on anyone , well excpet for the jerks that broke into my car and stole my 2003 breeders cup jacket.
Wayne Lukas has accomplished alot of things that most likely wont be repeated in my lifetime......still doesnt mean I like the way he trains,thats just me.
To wish someone bad luck is inviting your own karma.

Honu,
When I was younger and stupid, I was stewing over someone and wishing them bad luck. My very wise mentor, a trainer, looked at me and said "Mike, you don't ever have to wish someone bad in life. If they are truly a bad guy they will dig their own hole, and the Lord will help them dig". I never forgot that, ever. And its a good lesson.

"Mike, you don't ever have to wish someone bad in life. If they are truly a bad guy they will dig their own hole, and the Lord will help them dig"


Finally someone offers an explanation as to why Lukas has hit the SHI#$ER over the last few years.