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Pulpit?
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Can you explain these numbers more? Stallion Register indicates that The Cliffs Edge has 11 winners out of 37 runners which is quite different from 1/33
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Of TCE's first 33 runners, only ONE won its' First Start..
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Thanks for the clarification. I guess that is pretty much a betting angle. As a owner you just hope they learn something from the first start and come back in good shape. Yes its great to win the first time out but there are so many, many variables as to how your horse performs the first time out. Sometimes you cant get the race you want/or you get a bad hole. Another angle is that some trainers do not even "ramp" em up for the first start. It does not tell you how good the horse will be but I guess its a bettors angle. I think the stallion register stats of runners/winners is a much better tool for both wagering and stallion evaluation
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Debuting sire stats are VERY skewed by trainers. A trainer like Shug that doesn't crank on one early isn't gonna winning 1st out, no matter what the pedigree.
On the other hand, Wes Ward could take a Dixieland Band or any of those other bad win early sires and win out of the box. It's funny how reputations and actually data can vary. Yes it's True has been known for years has a great debuting sire. Hook and Ladder was the hot new 1st out Sire last year. |