Manning..MVP?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ALostTexan

Sorry. My sarcasm didn't show too well. I am just waiting for Favre to cry again and lead the media through another 4 months of agony with his indecision.

I do think that the highlight of the year in the NFL was when Pennington lead the Dolphins over the Jets. I really don't care about either team, but to see Pennington get the revenge over the Jets he deserved was awesome.

LOL. I still dont understand why they vote for these teams so early in the season

We'll see how Pennington fares today. Hopefully they lose so I don't have to read about him for a few months.

[dalakhani]

The Jets had to cut pennington to create cap space for Favre. Even if they had the cap space, teams usually dont keep 6 million dollar back up.

The only favor that was done by the jets was the speed of the release. They could have waited until the end of camp to cut him and that would have hurt him.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Right, so what did they do wrong? Signing Favre? Again, looks bad now. Not so bad when the season started, and really not so bad when the Jets were 8-4 and had just beat the Titans.

I agree. The jets did what they were supposed to do and what most ANY other team would do given the circumstances. Saying they SHOULD have kept pennington now is revisionist because all i heard about before the season started was all the jerseys being sold.

It could have (and should have) been happily ever after for both. I just hope Favre doesnt play his usual game. The jets are built to contend NOW and a decent QB could easily put them in the playoffs next year.

I wouldn't want Thomas Jones speaking for my team. He's an idiot and plays the most expendable position on the field.

Manning has to be the MVP.
What other QB could have taken that team as far?

He really does not have the same weapons he used to.
Marvin Harrison is a shell of himself. Gonzales is a pure
possession reciever. The fact that Dallas Clark got so many
break down receptions plays says a lot. Addai and Rhodes...
those are not great running backs when hurt. The both barely got
500 yards. The Colts are no
longer explosive and Manning did a great job with that team.
Reggie Wayne is about it.

Imagine Manning with Bolden and Fitzgerald. Kurt Warner did
a very good job at just lobbing the ball up and letting them
make plays.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Manning has to be the MVP.
What other QB could have taken that team as far?

He really does not have the same weapons he used to.
Marvin Harrison is a shell of himself. Gonzales is a pure
possession reciever. The fact that Dallas Clark got so many
break down receptions plays says a lot. Addai and Rhodes...
those are not great running backs when hurt. The both barely got
500 yards. The Colts are no
longer explosive and Manning did a great job with that team.
Reggie Wayne is about it.

Imagine Manning with Bolden and Fitzgerald. Kurt Warner did
a very good job at just lobbing the ball up and letting them
make plays.

That can be said about any QB in the league pretty much.

and did you just say that Wayne is about it for Manning? Do you watch football?

I'd take those guys any day of the week.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Right, so what did they do wrong? Signing Favre? Again, looks bad now. Not so bad when the season started, and really not so bad when the Jets were 8-4 and had just beat the Titans.

They didn't sign Favre, they gave up a third round pick for him. So in essence, they gave up Pennington, a 3rd round pick, and took a cap hit of $6 million for releasing Pennington in exchange for Favre knowing it would be for 1 to 2 years max. Not the best deal. They should have shipped Pennington to Minnesota for a conditional 7th rounder instead of just dumping him. Considering Minnesota was the #5 rushing team this year, the #6 defense, and third worst in the league in percentage of passes intercepted they might have been incredibly good this year with Pennington.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I've heard about a million times about how Pennington got revenge on the Jets. I suppose I see it, but what did the Jets do wrong? Sign Favre? Of course NOW that looks like a bad idea, but I didn't hear any Dolphins fans excited at the prospect of Pennington as their QB BEFORE the season started.

I actually thought the Jets did a nice thing for Pennington, releasing him so he could go play somewehere else. Would it have been better if they kept him and he battled it out for backup? Thed Dolphins have had a fluke season. A fluke season that ends today.

It's not that the Jets did anything wrong but in essence, what they told Pennington was the they were trying to get to a place that they didn't think he was equipped to lead them to. It was a clear slight towards him even if it was one that a lot of other people would have made. It had to be sweet for him to be the one to knock them out of the playoffs, nevermind the fact that even if the Jets had won that last game, they still wouldn't have made it. The fact that the Dolphins and Pennington assured it, while at the same time assuring themselves a playoff spot, had to make for some extra satisfaction. It's sort of the same thing with Shaq/Kobe/Lakers. The Lakers had a business decision to make and they made the right one in keeping Kobe. Shaq was too old and asking for too much money to justify keeping him and risk losing Kobe. So they did what they had to do and I can guarantee you that Shaq felt much more pleasure winning the title with Miami than he did the three combined with LA. Professional athletes have huge ego and take all slights personally, even perceived ones.

[dalakhani]

[quote=King Glorious]It's not that the Jets did anything wrong but in essence, what they told Pennington was the they were trying to get to a place that they didn't think he was equipped to lead them to. QUOTE]

I think that you have hit on the point that some are missing. Regardless of the success that Pennington had this season, the jets felt that he was not equipped with the arm to lead them to a superbowl.

The jets should be commended for taking the chance and spending the money in the attempt to win the ultimate prize. For all of Favre's shortcomings, he was just a few snaps away from the superbowl last year and he has done it before.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree with a good portion of this. it was all business, but i can see how it would have come across as personal. I just want to know where all of these pennington supporters were before the season. because let me tell you, I've sat through plenty of games at the Meadowlands to know that Pennington was not this well thought of the last 3 or so years by many people.

You go out in public?

[Cannon Shell]

Favre showed up in a Dolphins uni today...

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Favre showed up in a Dolphins uni today...

When Pennington throws a pick, or a pass, it looks like the 8-9yr old female representative in a PPK contest