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Old 01-02-2009, 04:51 PM
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It's disheartening to see the number of injuries over the new surface . Maybe Steve can shed some light on this matter .
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Old 01-02-2009, 05:43 PM
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It's disheartening to see the number of injuries over the new surface . Maybe Steve can shed some light on this matter .

Do the horses that are coming back and scoping this residue in their lungs concern you at all?

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Old 01-02-2009, 05:48 PM
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Yes . However, the primary issue is the breakdowns or immediate injuries after running over the track .
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Old 01-02-2009, 05:53 PM
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Yes . However, the primary issue is the breakdowns or immediate injuries after running over the track .

So the horses that are scoping this residue in their lungs after working and racing on this surface are secondary to the breakdowns or other injuries?? Interesting concept.
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Old 01-02-2009, 08:40 PM
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I heard today on the TV that they have not had a training breakdown in 3 months with tons of works, any chance this just could be random bad luck? Even Bobby Frankel likes the track and Frankel does not like much when it comes to surfaces.

I have been pleasently surprised, the track is much better for the player then it was during oak tree.
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Old 01-04-2009, 01:57 PM
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I heard today on the TV that they have not had a training breakdown in 3 months with tons of works, any chance this just could be random bad luck? Even Bobby Frankel likes the track and Frankel does not like much when it comes to surfaces.

I have been pleasently surprised, the track is much better for the player then it was during oak tree.
There does appear to be some good things to build on . Santa Anita is running tests on the surface . http://thoroughbredtimes.com/nationa...-Pro-Ride.aspx
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Old 01-04-2009, 08:21 PM
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Horses break down on and off the track everyday. Some days are worse than others.
For several years experts have said for example that Saratoga is a very safe dirt track. Consider this experts: Many horses racing at the Spa a young and fresh reulting in fewer injuries. Yes, this is a dirt track and similar to others around the country.
Consider factors like meds, lightly raced, lightly worked and trainers playing "protect" it seems there is more to consider than just surfaces.
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Old 01-05-2009, 04:27 PM
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So the horses that are scoping this residue in their lungs after working and racing on this surface are secondary to the breakdowns or other injuries?? Interesting concept.
I'm not sure why you're selling this mysterious "residue" being found post-race in the airways as a necessarily significant, or even unexpected, development. Horses (particularly those in behind other horses for the better part of a race) scope with particles of the track surface (dirt or otherwise) in their airways on a regular basis.
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Old 01-05-2009, 04:46 PM
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One of the problems with discussing things like breakdowns and track surfaces is that there are so many factors that affect these things that the reality is that you just cant make an accurate judgement unless you are actually training or riding over the surface. Track officials wouldnt know the difference between a safe track and a dirt path, The trackman usually is overly defensive. The trainers and sometimes vets of horses who brokedown can be critical to pass the blame away from them. Some jockeys have a good opinion but the majority wouldnt know the difference. It is all a matter of opinion except in extreme cases. Counting the number of breakdowns or lack of breakdowns is not really that accurate since there are many, many other issues involved. The game was better off before people knew about medication issues(although most of what is 'known' is wrong) or payed any attention to breakdowns. Not because either was acceptable but because neither is easily understood or explained away. The public will never be satisfied that the game is clean or that tracks are safe.
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Old 01-06-2009, 10:57 PM
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http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/48670.htm

So first hind toe grabs were bad but now they are good? This whole thing makes my head hurt....
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Old 01-02-2009, 08:53 PM
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Yes . However, the primary issue is the breakdowns or immediate injuries after running over the track .
a bit short-sighted, don't you think?
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