Horse of the Year?

10 pnt move up · #1 12-30-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Curlin faced the highest competition, therefore he fits it better

what competition? who was the best horse Curlin faced this year in a race he won?

letswastemoney · #2 12-31-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

what competition? who was the best horse Curlin faced this year in a race he won?

Einstein, Wanderin Boy, Well Armed, Asiatic Boy, Divine Park, Out of Control...

There's no evidence that Zenyatta's competition was better, so you have to assume these horses are just as good or better as the females Zenyatta faced.

10 pnt move up · #3 12-31-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Einstein, Wanderin Boy, Well Armed, Asiatic Boy, Divine Park, Out of Control...

There's no evidence that Zenyatta's competition was better, so you have to assume these horses are just as good or better as the females Zenyatta faced.

I can only go on the records and none of those are legit grade 1 horses, Einstein on turf, maybe Well Armed at a mile.

RollerDoc · #4 12-31-2008, 02:30 PM

Isn't it fair to say that Big Brown beat better horses than Curlin or Zenyatta? Here are just a few:

Colonel John
Proudinski
Cool Coal Man
Shakis
Macho Again
Visionaire
Da'Tara
Eight Belles
Denis of Cork
Tale of Ekati
Elysium Fields
Gayego
Anak Nakal
Dr. Cal
Coal Play
Hey Bern
Z Fortune
Ichabod Crane
Tomcito
Nistle's Crunch
Globalization
Silver Tree
Atoned
Crimsom Comic

King Glorious · #5 12-31-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Isn't it fair to say that Big Brown beat better horses than Curlin or Zenyatta? Here are just a few:

Colonel John
Proudinski
Cool Coal Man
Shakis
Macho Again
Visionaire
Da'Tara
Eight Belles
Denis of Cork Tale of Ekati
Elysium Fields
Gayego
Anak Nakal
Dr. Cal
Coal Play
Hey Bern
Z Fortune
Ichabod Crane
Tomcito
Nistle's Crunch
Globalization
Silver Tree
Atoned
Crimsom Comic

This confirms what I believed to be true. Roller Doc is not serious. He's been playing with us this whole time. This list of the good horses the Big Brown beat confirms it 100%. All this time, I really believed he was campaigning on BEHALF of Big Brown but now I see he's against the horse. You had me going pal.

RollerDoc · #6 12-31-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

This confirms what I believed to be true. Roller Doc is not serious. He's been playing with us this whole time. This list of the good horses the Big Brown beat confirms it 100%. All this time, I really believed he was campaigning on BEHALF of Big Brown but now I see he's against the horse. You had me going pal.

You can stop being condescending right now. I'm just saying this group as a whole were better than those faced by Curlin or Zenyatta. You are spinning it as this group is made up of "good horses" and those were not my words.

letswastemoney · #7 12-31-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

You can stop being condescending right now. I'm just saying this group as a whole were better than those faced by Curlin or Zenyatta. You are spinning it as this group is made up of "good horses" and those were not my words.

Those horses faced restricted company for most of the year. Under what evidence are they better? Colonel John is about as good as most of those 3 year olds, and he still finished midpack in the Classic.

RollerDoc · #8 12-31-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

This confirms what I believed to be true. Roller Doc is not serious. He's been playing with us this whole time. This list of the good horses the Big Brown beat confirms it 100%. All this time, I really believed he was campaigning on BEHALF of Big Brown but now I see he's against the horse. You had me going pal.

King Glorious, how about you respond with four horses beaten by Zenyatta and Curlin combined this year that would be better horses than these four:

Colonel John
Denis of Cork
Eight Belles
Tale of Akati

King Glorious · #9 12-31-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

King Glorious, how about you respond with four horses beaten by Zenyatta and Curlin combined this year that would be better horses than these four:

Colonel John
Denis of Cork
Eight Belles
Tale of Akati

What would be the point? All you will say is that the four aren't better than the four you named. But what the hell............

Ginger Punch
Hystericalady
Wanderin Boy
Einstein
Music Note
Cocoa Beach
Well Armed

I know, I know. You don't even have to say it. I know that all of those horses that I mentioned are grade one and grade two winners, some of them of multiple races, and that doesn't compare to what Denis of Cork and Eight Belles did in their careers but I thought I'd mention them anyway.

SniperSB23 · #10 12-31-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

King Glorious, how about you respond with four horses beaten by Zenyatta and Curlin combined this year that would be better horses than these four:

Colonel John
Denis of Cork
Eight Belles
Tale of Akati

You're kidding? People are still buying this Colonel John crap after Mambo in Seattle's debacle against Curlin? And Tale of Slowkati around two turns? What exactly did Denis of Cork accomplish this year? You have to be kidding.

Danzig · #11 12-31-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Isn't it fair to say that Big Brown beat better horses than Curlin or Zenyatta? Here are just a few:

Colonel John
Proudinski
Cool Coal Man
Shakis
Macho Again
Visionaire
Da'Tara
Eight Belles
Denis of Cork
Tale of Ekati
Elysium Fields
Gayego
Anak Nakal
Dr. Cal
Coal Play
Hey Bern
Z Fortune
Ichabod Crane
Tomcito
Nistle's Crunch
Globalization
Silver Tree
Atoned
Crimsom Comic

i'd take einstein over any of those horses in a new york minute. and most of those horses, i'd take the last place finisher in the distaff over. tomcito, really? hey bern? seriously? and who the bloody hell is crimson comic?

RollerDoc · #12 12-31-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i'd take einstein over any of those horses in a new york minute. and most of those horses, i'd take the last place finisher in the distaff over. tomcito, really? hey bern? seriously? and who the bloody hell is crimson comic?

I would put Einstein toward the top of my list. Crimson Comic faced Big Brown in his Maiden Race. He was highly touted back then.

cakes44 · #13 12-31-2008, 03:27 PM

Beating a highly touted maiden, who has done nothing, shouldn't have anything to do with this discussion.

miraja2 · #14 12-31-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Isn't it fair to say that Big Brown beat better horses than Curlin or Zenyatta? Here are just a few:

Colonel John
Proudinski
Cool Coal Man
Shakis
Macho Again
Visionaire
Da'Tara
Eight Belles
Denis of Cork
Tale of Ekati
Elysium Fields
Gayego
Anak Nakal
Dr. Cal
Coal Play
Hey Bern
Z Fortune
Ichabod Crane
Tomcito
Nistle's Crunch
Globalization
Silver Tree
Atoned
Crimsom Comic

Oh my god.
When you see them all together like that.....it becomes even more clear what a ridiculous collection of donkeys they really were.

King Glorious · #15 12-31-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Oh my god.
When you see them all together like that.....it becomes even more clear what a ridiculous collections of donkeys they really were.

Don't be condescending like I was. Just give him your horses that you think are better. That is, if such horses even exist.

miraja2 · #16 12-31-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Don't be condescending like I was. Just give him your horses that you think are better. That is, if such horses even exist.

I wasn't attempting to be condescending. In fact, I have no real opinion on HOY. I think a somewhat reasonable case could probably be made for Big Brown.

I was just struck by how horrible that group of horses is/was.

RollerDoc · #17 12-31-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No

Can you just give me your short list of who either have beaten that compares with my list? After all I provided some names.