Islam and the weapon of deception

[Danzig]

and like i said above...people will pounce on any and every 'fact' that backs up their beliefs, while completely dismssing anything that doesn't-and you just completely dismissed the fact, that until 9-11, the single deadliest terror attack on american soil was by an american and a christian-not a muslim. and that, dear sir, is what's really weak.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and like i said above...people will pounce on any and every 'fact' that backs up their beliefs, while completely dismssing anything that doesn't-and you just completely dismissed the fact, that until 9-11, the single deadliest terror attack on american soil was by an american and a christian-not a muslim. and that, dear sir, is what's really weak.

McVeigh wasn't a practicing Catholic,imo.....so he was essentially faithless.
But he was an American..so that means you're right.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not the point when he was practicing or even what religion he was. As I'm sure you know, he was also a veteran. He and his father were devout Catholics, attending mass everyday. He "lost touch with God" and reconciled with the Church before he was executed. The point Danzig made, which you of course ignored was that crazy people do crazy things, regardless of their religion.

I didn't ignore it, I just don't think that it's the answer to the question.
But thanks for dropping by.....

[Honu]

The attack in Okalahoma might have been the most deadly , but its not like the crazy Muslims hadnt tried to blow up the Trade Center before , I think it was targeted twice that I recall and they attacked the USS Cole and our Embassy , which was all a pre-cursur to the big one when they finally got the job done in 2001. Im not saying that other people of other faiths dont blow stuff up but right now in the world most of the violence that is being commited , is being commited by radical Muslims. Ill re-state that not all Muslims are doing it but all Muslims are culpable for what they let go on from the government right down to the farmers , the radicals have installed so much fear that even their own people wont make a stand and that is sad.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

The attack in Okalahoma might have been the most deadly , but its not like the crazy Muslims hadnt tried to blow up the Trade Center before .

"Muslims" did not try to blow up the Trade Center before.

"Terrorists" tried to blow up the Trade Center before.

Sorry, those words simply are not equivalent.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Muslims" did not try to blow up the Trade Center before.

"Terrorists" tried to blow up the Trade Center before.

Sorry, those words simply are not equivalent.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Muslims" did not try to blow up the Trade Center before.

"Terrorists" tried to blow up the Trade Center before.

Sorry, those words simply are not equivalent.

Oh really , uhm what faith were the bombers? They were Muslim look it up , dude they were warning us way before 911 , that they were going to drop those buildings one way or another.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

Oh really , uhm what faith were the bombers? They were Muslim look it up , dude they were warning us way before 911 , that they were going to drop those buildings one way or another.

Dude, you have completely missed the point.

Let's see ... literal ... literal ...

False: All blonde women are dumb.
False: Christianity is the most common religion in the world.
False: All Christians are racists.
False: All Muslims are terrorists.

I will take the time now to interject a little meeting shown on C-Span last night involving American Muslim Leaders asking Obama to please reign in Israel when he gets into office. They went on and on about Israel this and that, and when asked about Hamas and the role they should play to end the current conflict they had nothing to say.

Then when asked about their ties with illegal funds sent to terrorist organizations and what the investigation yielded they left the stage. It was quite revealing. I certainly hope these guys dont speak for the majority of Muslims in the US.

American Muslim Task Force

Council on American-Islamic Relations

might have to have a look at these two groups.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

Dude, you have completely missed the point.

Let's see ... literal ... literal ...

False: All blonde women are dumb.
False: Christianity is the most common religion in the world.
False: All Christians are racists.
False: All Muslims are terrorists.

Dont make me out to be that simple ok, I was just stating a fact , you can believe it was just people who happen to be Muslim that tried for years to blow up the World Trade Center and happen to blow up our ship , and they also just happen to be Muslims that have blown up our Embassies and hikacked our planes and killed hundreds of thousands of people.
There is a direct correlation to people of the Muslim faith and terrorism it cant be denied , Im not saying all Muslims are terrorists but it sure doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out the theme to most of the crap that is going on in the world.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not the point when he was practicing or even what religion he was. As I'm sure you know, he was also a veteran. He and his father were devout Catholics, attending mass everyday. He "lost touch with God" and reconciled with the Church before he was executed. The point Danzig made, which you of course ignored was that crazy people do crazy things, regardless of their religion.

i had a couple of points really...one is that a person will do what they will regardless of religion.
another point is that perception is reality to most. there are all sorts of fringe groups who 'believe' different things, but what it all boils down to is that they are criminals who seek to rationalize what they do.
terrorists don't commit crimes of terror for god, they use that to excuse it. if they didn't believe in god, they'd still blow crap up everyday.
my other point was, people didn't automatically make a correlation between mcveigh and his religion, but people automatically make that connection when it's a muslim.
i don't recall this sort of mentality when it was the ira vs the brits.