Dick Jauron/Turk Schonert/Jets/Dolphins playalong thread

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

There are dumbass Jet fans (shocking, I know) that are clamoring for Cassel too. Luckily they get shouted down by other, not totally moronic fans. I'd prefer Ratliff and even Clemens over Cassel.

Just about every Jet fan in my office is clamoring for Cassel.

Would be a TERRIBLE mistake to go after him. He's better than anybody ever expected... but the fact of the matter is Randy Moss and his coach make him look good.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by philcski

Just about every Jet fan in my office is clamoring for Cassel.

Would be a TERRIBLE mistake to go after him. He's better than anybody ever expected... but the fact of the matter is Randy Moss and his coach make him look good.

Those are the same dumbass Jet fans who were/are dying for Favre, Cowher, etc. Whatever big name they trick themselves into thinking is the saviour. It pisses me off because these are the morons that Woody feels like he needs to pander to when, in reality, true Jet fans can see through marketing ploys and just want a winner. We'll take a bunch of no-names who win 10+ games ('06) over a bunch of underachieving Pro Bowlers ('08).

If they go get Cassel, I'll be pissed.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Those are the same dumbass Jet fans who were/are dying for Favre, Cowher, etc. Whatever big name they trick themselves into thinking is the saviour. It pisses me off because these are the morons that Woody feels like he needs to pander to when, in reality, true Jet fans can see through marketing ploys and just want a winner. We'll take a bunch of no-names who win 10+ games ('06) over a bunch of underachieving Pro Bowlers ('08).

If they go get Cassel, I'll be pissed.

Keep this in mind, too... Even though he'll be a free agent the Pats are a very smart organization- they're not going to just let him walk to sign with a division rival if they think he's worth his weight in jockstraps, especially with Brady not progressing as planned. If they do, that speaks volumes.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by philcski

Keep this in mind, too... Even though he'll be a free agent the Pats are a very smart organization- they're not going to just let him walk to sign with a division rival if they think he's worth his weight in jockstraps, especially with Brady not progressing as planned. If they do, that speaks volumes.

That would be cap destruction though phil. Even if the pats thought Casell was worth it, they cant afford to pay a backup QB starter money and starter money is what Casell will get from any other team. They would have no choice but to let him walk.

Casell leaving is a foregone conclusion if there is any interest and it appears there will be...regardless of how misguided that interest may be.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

That would be cap destruction though phil. Even if the pats thought Casell was worth it, they cant afford to pay a backup QB starter money and starter money is what Casell will get from any other team. They would have no choice but to let him walk.

Casell leaving is a foregone conclusion if there is any interest and it appears there will be...regardless of how misguided that interest may be.

Cant they just franchise him and take a one year hit? I dont know why everyone is so down on Cassell. He may not be Brady but lets give the guy some credit considering he had to basically learn on the job in a very tough situation with almost no experience to fall back on. He played pretty well and will likely still get better.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Cant they just franchise him and take a one year hit? I dont know why everyone is so down on Cassell. He may not be Brady but lets give the guy some credit considering he had to basically learn on the job in a very tough situation with almost no experience to fall back on. He played pretty well and will likely still get better.

I'm not as down on him as Joey is but I don't see him as the savior. He's got tools and brains which helps a lot but it'll be a huge shock going from Moss/Welker to average receivers for the Jets.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

I'm not as down on him as Joey is but I don't see him as the savior. He's got tools and brains which helps a lot but it'll be a huge shock going from Moss/Welker to average receivers for the Jets.

I dont buy the Moss/Welker arguement. They had no consistent running game all year. Welker is a good player but hardly a difference maker. He is an excellent slot receiver who gets matched up against the other teams third best corner or a safety. Moss had 11 catches the last 4 games. Cassell was certainly a better QB as the season went on and saying he is garbage is ridiclous. He may not be Johnny U but he is better than what the 49ers, Bears, Vikings, Chiefs, Bucs, Rams, Bills, Browns, Raiders, Redskins or Lions run out there and he is proven to be a lot better than Clemmons. I have no idea how good Ratliff is but the fact no one bothered to draft him gives me an idea. The thing is there are only a few really top QB's and guys like cassell who can run an offense, manage a game and not make mistakes are valauble guys.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Cant they just franchise him and take a one year hit? I dont know why everyone is so down on Cassell. He may not be Brady but lets give the guy some credit considering he had to basically learn on the job in a very tough situation with almost no experience to fall back on. He played pretty well and will likely still get better.

They could franchise him. But that would be 12 million dollars for a backup QB. Thats 10% of your cap for a guy that you hope doesnt play. I highly doubt the Pats would do that unless they were pretty sure Brady wasnt going to be ready.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

They could franchise him. But that would be 12 million dollars for a backup QB. Thats 10% of your cap for a guy that you hope doesnt play. I highly doubt the Pats would do that unless they were pretty sure Brady wasnt going to be ready.

He is not a backup until Brady returns and has proven worth. If Brady makes it back they could trade him for a number one pick or package of picks as opposed to just letting him walk.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Cant they just franchise him and take a one year hit? I dont know why everyone is so down on Cassell. He may not be Brady but lets give the guy some credit considering he had to basically learn on the job in a very tough situation with almost no experience to fall back on. He played pretty well and will likely still get better.

Well...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809444


29 mil of the salary cap will go to the two main QB's on that team. Not sure amazing is the word I'm looking for, but I'll use it.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Well...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809444


29 mil of the salary cap will go to the two main QB's on that team. Not sure amazing is the word I'm looking for, but I'll use it.

looks like i have some words to eat. Cannon and phl were right.

How about incredible Declan?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Those are the same dumbass Jet fans who were/are dying for Favre, Cowher, etc. Whatever big name they trick themselves into thinking is the saviour. It pisses me off because these are the morons that Woody feels like he needs to pander to when, in reality, true Jet fans can see through marketing ploys and just want a winner. We'll take a bunch of no-names who win 10+ games ('06) over a bunch of underachieving Pro Bowlers ('08).

If they go get Cassel, I'll be pissed.

The problem with the Favre situation is that for the last couple of seasons all you heard was that Chad Pennington didn't have the arm strength for the Jets playing in the Meadowlands. So they gave Clemens a chance, which didn't work out so good either. In both of their defenses the o-line was awful, which also led to Thomas Jones needing a GPS to find the endzone and the qb running for their lives. This season they revamp the line and Thomas Jones has a resurrection, but the passing game play calling is the same crappy screen and 5 yard outs that they were running last season. They are supposed to have this QB with the big arm now, but it seemed like they never threw the ball downfield. Favre averaged 217 yards a game (only about 10 yards more than Chad averaged when he was a Jet) and didn't throw for 300 yards once this season (I know not that big a deal, they were a running team when they were playing well, but I think it speaks volumes about the play calling), including the game he threw 6 td's. If this was going to be the case, they were better off with Chad. I am not trying to compare the two in any way or form, but one thing I assure you is that Chad would have never thrown 22 interceptions.
I thought getting Favre was the right move, but it just seems that they ran the same plays and packages that they had for Chad and Clemens. Instead of changing the playbook around for Favre the just changed Favre's game to adapt to the playbook they had.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The problem with the Favre situation is that for the last couple of seasons all you heard was that Chad Pennington didn't have the arm strength for the Jets playing in the Meadowlands. So they gave Clemens a chance, which didn't work out so good either. In both of their defenses the o-line was awful, which also led to Thomas Jones needing a GPS to find the endzone and the qb running for their lives. This season they revamp the line and Thomas Jones has a resurrection, but the passing game play calling is the same crappy screen and 5 yard outs that they were running last season. They are supposed to have this QB with the big arm now, but it seemed like they never threw the ball downfield. Favre averaged 217 yards a game (only about 10 yards more than Chad averaged when he was a Jet) and didn't throw for 300 yards once this season (I know not that big a deal, they were a running team when they were playing well, but I think it speaks volumes about the play calling), including the game he threw 6 td's. If this was going to be the case, they were better off with Chad. I am not trying to compare the two in any way or form, but one thing I assure you is that Chad would have never thrown 22 interceptions.
I thought getting Favre was the right move, but it just seems that they ran the same plays and packages that they had for Chad and Clemens. Instead of changing the playbook around for Favre the just changed Favre's game to adapt to the playbook they had.

I dont think they had the receivers to throw the ball down the field consistently. If I'm the incoming coach the last thing I want is Favre. The drama and decision making isnt worth it and when you have a guy that can pretty much do whatever he wants without recourse you have a bad situation. There is no future with Favre and they simply dont have the horses to win it all now. I would rather have Cassell than Favre in 2009 (never thought I would say that) for at least you know you have a competent QB who you can count on for a few years. If you dont want Cassell who exactly is out there that is better?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think they had the receivers to throw the ball down the field consistently. If I'm the incoming coach the last thing I want is Favre. The drama and decision making isnt worth it and when you have a guy that can pretty much do whatever he wants without recourse you have a bad situation. There is no future with Favre and they simply dont have the horses to win it all now. I would rather have Cassell than Favre in 2009 (never thought I would say that) for at least you know you have a competent QB who you can count on for a few years. If you dont want Cassell who exactly is out there that is better?

Cassel's trash. He throws dumpoffs to Welker and Kevin Faulk and once in a blue moon completes a deep ball to Moss. Being hopeful that the Jets will get a better deep threat (or start using Clowney more), I'd prefer Ratliff or Clemens. Unproven as they may be, at least they can make all of the throws.

[philcski]

I just wish the Bills had waited 24 more hours to determine Jauron's fate now that Shanahan is available.

The NFL is a fickle sport, isn't it? The Broncos were a terrible team this year and he had them in position to make the playoffs. I don't really understand the firing.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by philcski

I just wish the Bills had waited 24 more hours to determine Jauron's fate now that Shanahan is available.

The NFL is a fickle sport, isn't it? The Broncos were a terrible team this year and he had them in position to make the playoffs. I don't really understand the firing.

Bills never could have afforded Shanahan anyways. Would take him in a heartbeat but Ralph won't pay his head coaches more than $1-1.5 million a year and for that price you are only going to get the Dick Jauron/Mike Mularkey/Gregg Williams/Wade Phillips types. Schottenheimer would have been the only chance since he played his whole career for the Bills but I'm sure even he would have wanted $3 million a year.

Bills were an awful, awful team last year (30th offense, 31st defense) that played way over their heads to go 7-9 in a remarkable coaching job that Jauron never got enough credit for. This year they were about a 7-9 team (25th offense, 14th defense) that finished with exactly the record they should have. They are still young and have no important guys hitting free agency so can bring back the core, add some free agents, add some draft picks, and hope the players (and OC) can mature. Improve to top 20 in offense next year and top 10 in defense and it could be a solid 10 win season. A complete overhaul on such a young team would be foolish. If they were an aging team about to lose all their top players to free agency (like they were when Mularkey got canned), then it would make sense to start over.