Horse of the Year?

King Glorious · #1 12-29-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I disagree. FL Derby Big Brown did face some talent. Hey Bern and Ilysium Fields were very good horses in April. He also destroyed the Belmont winner in that race.

Were you hired as a witness for the prosecutor or the defense? You weaken your argument on Big Brown's behalf by the mere mention of Hey Bryn and Ilysium Fields in the same sentence with the words "good horses". You completly destroy your argument by calling them VERY good horses.

brianwspencer · #2 12-29-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Were you hired as a witness for the prosecutor or the defense? You weaken your argument on Big Brown's behalf by the mere mention of Hey Bryn and Ilysium Fields in the same sentence with the words "good horses". You completly destroy your argument by calling them VERY good horses.

And the Belmont winner is about the most awful horse to win a classic race in quite some time, as far as I can recall, so I don't think that helps either.

brianwspencer · #3 12-29-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Gun to your head, who wins: Da' Tara, or Commendable?

Well luckily for me, Commendable is just at the very beginning of my caring about horse racing....

But gun to my head I'm wheeling both underneath Jazil.

RollerDoc · #4 12-29-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well luckily for me, Commendable is just at the very beginning of my caring about horse racing....

But gun to my head I'm wheeling both underneath Jazil.

Jazil was underrated and not a slouch by any stretch.

brianwspencer · #5 12-29-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Jazil was underrated and not a slouch by any stretch.

Strangely enough, I kind of agree.

But I'm willing to freely admit that my thinking may be a product of the fact that I always liked Jazil from the beginning, rather than a rational, evidence-based conclusion...

...since he kind of wasn't actually that good in the big picture.

He was a neat horse who was good for what he was good for, and he was fortunate to have run a couple of decent races and to mostly inherit a Belmont Stakes in which it seemed like he was the only 12-furlong runner in the field anyway. I liked his Derby better.

RollerDoc · #6 12-29-2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Strangely enough, I kind of agree.

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How is agreeing with me strange?

brianwspencer · #7 12-29-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

How is agreeing with me strange?

Less to do with you than the fact that I made a Jazil joke and actually didn't mean it.

Though I do disagree with your entire premise in this thread, but I don't have anything to add.

Danzig · #8 12-29-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Jazil was underrated and not a slouch by any stretch.

this makes me embarrassed that i have ever come close to agreeing with you on anything.
at any rate, i think hoy is curlins, but certainly i can't fault anyone for voting for brown.

RollerDoc · #9 12-29-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

this makes me embarrassed that i have ever come close to agreeing with you on anything.
at any rate, i think hoy is curlins, but certainly i can't fault anyone for voting for brown.

There is no need to be embarassed. Plenty of other people have anonymously agreed with some of my opinions.

Danzig · #10 12-29-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

There is no need to be embarassed. Plenty of other people have anonymously agreed with some of my opinions.

well, for what it's worth, i'd take jazil over da tara.

RollerDoc · #11 12-29-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're digging yourself into a real deep hole now.

As a three year old Jazil won the Belmont, placed 4th in one of the most KY Derbys in this decade, and finished 2nd in the Wood Memorial. He also was 2nd in an Allowance race. How is that a slouch?

cakes44 · #12 12-30-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

He also was 2nd in an Allowance race.

Am I the only one who laughed reading this?

RollerDoc · #13 12-30-2008, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44

Am I the only one who laughed reading this?

What makes you laugh? How many good horses have finished second or higher in an Allowance Race? The answer is MANY!

See a doctor and get that laugh fixed.

RollerDoc · #14 12-29-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I have no energy for a discussion about jazil's overall quality, but in my opinion, he stunk. Where he his good race?

Hey Bern sunk in April also. And Elysium Fields ran a good race a bad one and we haven't seen him since. You're extremely biased in regards to Big brown, which makes discussing stuff about him nearly impossible. But, he has no chance at winning the award. Zero..

Ouch! I'd like to think I bring a high level of energy to the Big Brown discussion.

TheSpyder · #15 12-29-2008, 07:10 PM

I for one cannot wait until this discussion is over. So much time and print wasted about a bunch of bad horses. Frankly, who cares. The all sucked. I just hope to God that 2009 will bring something special.

RollerDoc · #16 12-29-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You do bring a high level of energy to a discussion. But I don't have the energy to dissect jazil's career with you.

No need to and I certainly am not a Jazil expert, just the opposite. I only said he wasn't a slouch. I just thought he ran well in a very good derby field and had a fairly decent showing as 3 yr old including winning the grueling Belmont.

CSC · #17 12-30-2008, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I have no energy for a discussion about jazil's overall quality, but in my opinion, he stunk. Where he his good race?

I never thought much of Jazil either, perhaps his reputation comes from being one of Better Than Honour's offspring.

Hasili's Cacique and Personal Ensign's Our Emblem were perhaps also more well known for being famous sons rather than what they did on the racetrack.

Indian Charlie · #18 12-30-2008, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Gun to your head, who wins: Da' Tara, or Commendable?

sarava

RollerDoc · #19 12-29-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Were you hired as a witness for the prosecutor or the defense? You weaken your argument on Big Brown's behalf by the mere mention of Hey Bryn and Ilysium Fields in the same sentence with the words "good horses". You completly destroy your argument by calling them VERY good horses.

I said in April they were very good horses. I stand by that. Not very good as in past years but we are talking about 2008. And in April 2008 they were amonst the contenders for the Derby. To your point, neither one did anything special beyond that.

King Glorious · #20 12-29-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I said in April they were very good horses. I stand by that. Not very good as in past years but we are talking about 2008. And in April 2008 they were amonst the contenders for the Derby. To your point, neither one did anything special beyond that.

Just because you said it in April didn't mean it was true then. I said Galloping Grocer was going to win the TC after his first couple of races. After a few more, I realized he was garbage and admitted as much. If you can't learn to adjust your opinion as more and more evidence pours in, your arguments really will have no merit because you will always be speaking from the perspective of trying to prove yourself right instead of objectively looking at things.