Horse of the Year?

RollerDoc · #1 12-29-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i think big browns fla derby and ky derby looked far better than any race curlin put together this year.

Or any other horse for that matter in 2008. That is one of many compelling reasons why Big Brown should and in my opinion will win HOY.

smuthg · #2 12-29-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Or any other horse for that matter in 2008. That is one of many compelling reasons why Big Brown should and in my opinion will win HOY.

Better than Commentator's Whitney?

King Glorious · #3 12-29-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by smuthg

Better than Commentator's Whitney?

Exactly. Of course Big Brown's races looked good. He wasn't facing anything, especially in Florida. Big Brown's Florida Derby didn't LOOK any better than Commentator's Whitney and certainly didn't LOOK any better than Commentator's Mass Cap. They didn't LOOK better than Proud Spell's Ky Oaks or Music Note's CCA Oaks or her Gazelle or Indian Blessing's Test or Ventura's BC F/M Sprint or Goldikova's BC Mile.

RollerDoc · #4 12-29-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Exactly. Of course Big Brown's races looked good. He wasn't facing anything, especially in Florida. Big Brown's Florida Derby didn't LOOK any better than Commentator's Whitney and certainly didn't LOOK any better than Commentator's Mass Cap. They didn't LOOK better than Proud Spell's Ky Oaks or Music Note's CCA Oaks or her Gazelle or Indian Blessing's Test or Ventura's BC F/M Sprint or Goldikova's BC Mile.

I disagree. FL Derby Big Brown did face some talent. Hey Bern and Ilysium Fields were very good horses in April. He also destroyed the Belmont winner in that race.

King Glorious · #5 12-29-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I disagree. FL Derby Big Brown did face some talent. Hey Bern and Ilysium Fields were very good horses in April. He also destroyed the Belmont winner in that race.

Were you hired as a witness for the prosecutor or the defense? You weaken your argument on Big Brown's behalf by the mere mention of Hey Bryn and Ilysium Fields in the same sentence with the words "good horses". You completly destroy your argument by calling them VERY good horses.

brianwspencer · #6 12-29-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Were you hired as a witness for the prosecutor or the defense? You weaken your argument on Big Brown's behalf by the mere mention of Hey Bryn and Ilysium Fields in the same sentence with the words "good horses". You completly destroy your argument by calling them VERY good horses.

And the Belmont winner is about the most awful horse to win a classic race in quite some time, as far as I can recall, so I don't think that helps either.

brianwspencer · #7 12-29-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Gun to your head, who wins: Da' Tara, or Commendable?

Well luckily for me, Commendable is just at the very beginning of my caring about horse racing....

But gun to my head I'm wheeling both underneath Jazil.

Indian Charlie · #8 12-30-2008, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Gun to your head, who wins: Da' Tara, or Commendable?

sarava

RollerDoc · #9 12-29-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Were you hired as a witness for the prosecutor or the defense? You weaken your argument on Big Brown's behalf by the mere mention of Hey Bryn and Ilysium Fields in the same sentence with the words "good horses". You completly destroy your argument by calling them VERY good horses.

I said in April they were very good horses. I stand by that. Not very good as in past years but we are talking about 2008. And in April 2008 they were amonst the contenders for the Derby. To your point, neither one did anything special beyond that.

King Glorious · #10 12-29-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I said in April they were very good horses. I stand by that. Not very good as in past years but we are talking about 2008. And in April 2008 they were amonst the contenders for the Derby. To your point, neither one did anything special beyond that.

Just because you said it in April didn't mean it was true then. I said Galloping Grocer was going to win the TC after his first couple of races. After a few more, I realized he was garbage and admitted as much. If you can't learn to adjust your opinion as more and more evidence pours in, your arguments really will have no merit because you will always be speaking from the perspective of trying to prove yourself right instead of objectively looking at things.

RollerDoc · #11 12-29-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by smuthg

Better than Commentator's Whitney?

I just watched the Whitney again. Very nice race for Commentator. He had complete control wire to wire and still had something in the tank. The reason I think Big Brown was equally impressive if not better at FL and definately better in the KY was the outside post wins. 20 horses entered in KY make that even more eyepopping.

RollerDoc · #12 12-29-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

What are the other "compelling reasons" to vote for Big Brown? If there are non-compelling reasons, please add them, too.

He beat everything he faced. I guess my bias throws out the Belmont because he was pulled up and arguably had several other things going on including an injured hoof. Clearly his foot injury factored into
his just wins, but he still did it. Big Brown also faced the most horses in the history of the TC during those five weeks. His KY Derby was more impressive than Barbaro's even though Barbaro was a comparatively faster horse.