Islam and the weapon of deception

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.csicop.org/si/9505/belief.html


an excerpt:


Beliefs are generated by the belief engine without any automatic concern for truth. Concern for truth is a higher order acquired cognitive orientation that reflects an underlying philosophy which presupposes an objective reality that is not always perceived by our senses.
The belief engine chugs away, strengthening old beliefs, spewing out new ones, rarely discarding any. We can sometimes see the error or foolishness in other people's beliefs. It is very difficult to see the same in our own. We believe in all sorts of things, abstract and concrete -- in the existence of the solar system, atoms, pizza, and five-star restaurants in Paris. Such beliefs are no different in principle from beliefs in fairies at the end of the garden, in ghosts in some deserted abbey, in werewolves, in satanic conspiracies, in miraculous cures, and so on. Such beliefs are all similar in form, all products of the same process, even though they vary widely in content. They may, however, involve greater or lesser involvement of the critical-thinking and emotional-response units.

Critical thinking, logic, reason, science -- these are all terms that apply in one way or another to the deliberate attempt to ferret out truth from the tangle of intuition, distorted perception, and fallible memory. The true critical thinker accepts what few people ever accept -- that one cannot routinely trust perceptions and memories. Figments of our imagination and reflections of our emotional needs can often interfere with or supplant the perception of truth and reality. Through teaching and encouraging critical thought our society will move away from irrationality, but we will never succeed in completely abandoning irrational tendencies, again because of the basic nature of the belief engine.

Experience is often a poor guide to reality. Skepticism helps us to question our experience and to avoid being too readily led to believe what is not so. We should try to remember the words of the late P. J. Bailey (in Festus: A Country Town): "Where doubt, there truth is -- 'tis her shadow."

Cut to the chase,Ziggy, what are you trying to say??

[Danzig]

since i couldn't find the term i was looking for, i put that up. in general, folks who 'believe' a certain thing will find plenty of info to back it up, while ignoring or discounting that which contradicts what they believe.
i read what you linked in the beginning; where you're able find that it proves the u.s. is in imminent danger, i don't know....but i'm sure you feel that it's perfectly acceptable to find an entire religion to be dangerous because of a certain segment of that population, while there's no doubt in my mind you'd be apopleptic if someone was to take catholics (for instance) to task.

and now no doubt i'll be told there's no comparison...

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

since i couldn't find the term i was looking for, i put that up. in general, folks who 'believe' a certain thing will find plenty of info to back it up, while ignoring or discounting that which contradicts what they believe.
i read what you linked in the beginning; where you're able find that it proves the u.s. is in imminent danger, i don't know....but i'm sure you feel that it's perfectly acceptable to find an entire religion to be dangerous because of a certain segment of that population, while there's no doubt in my mind you'd be apopleptic if someone was to take catholics (for instance) to task.

and now no doubt i'll be told there's no comparison...

I put thread up as a point of information. did you know anything about Taqiyya? I didn't say to string up all Muslims, did I ?? What do Catholics have to do with the topic? How do you people have conversations?...is it all soundbites or what?? Sheesh

[Danzig]

that's just it, i don't think it's information. i don't think certain people are a danger because of the religion they follow, they are dangerous because they're criminal-minded. they use their religion to justify violence, they aren't violent due to their religion.

and your thread title was 'islam and the weapon...', not 'some followers of islam'. that seems pretty broad in scope to me.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's just it, i don't think it's information. i don't think certain people are a danger because of the religion they follow, they are dangerous because they're criminal-minded. they use their religion to justify violence, they aren't violent due to their religion.

and your thread title was 'islam and the weapon...', not 'some followers of islam'. that seems pretty broad in scope to me.

I used the Quran which lists the verses pertinent to Taqiyya(which by their definition is lying to non-believers to further the goals of Islam) How can that be broad in scope? How can that not be information? I didn't parse the verses together.
With regard to criminal activity..their BOOK does justify violence....and the current wave of violence around the world is proof of it.
Hoss asked what are we to do...well, I'll ask you...What are we to do about this?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I put thread up as a point of information. did you know anything about Taqiyya? I didn't say to string up all Muslims, did I ?? What do Catholics have to do with the topic? How do you people have conversations?...is it all soundbites or what?? Sheesh

is it all muslims or not? you say 'they believe' and then say you're not saying all muslims. which is it?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

is it all muslims or not? you say 'they believe' and then say you're not saying all muslims. which is it?

Are you confused too?? Of course it's not all Muslims that wish us harm!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Are you confused too?? Of course it's not all Muslims that wish us harm!

then why worry what 'their' book teaches, if they aren't even all following it?!?! how dangerous can it be, if those this book is purporting to reach, isn't being reached.
boy, you've really thought this thru.