Islam and the weapon of deception

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Here's how I vet something. if you post it, i can pretty much guarantee it's ridiculous. Not sure how you make the stretch that I would find anything about Schindler's List funny. I laugh at your choices for "sources" and your mission to alienate anyone who doesn't believe as you do. I laugh at your politics and your unwillingness to get over your prejudices. My issue with this "piece" and you buying it hook line and sinker is it groups all Muslims together. Personally, I think you have too much time on your hands.

Catholic priests sexually abused children for decades. Should we all look negatively at all Catholic's because of this? Of course not, adults and people not named Scudsbrother understand that an entire group can't be characterized by their weakest members. Do you even know anyone that is Muslim?

Your whole post is nothing but BS! You twist words into a different meaning,as usual. People who laughed at everything usually don't understand
what they're faced with..so it explains you to a "T". I'm not trying to alienate anyone...just point out some things. The "reach" part is for you to understand something BEFORE you blast it. My initial post asked for your consideration...whether you "buy" it is up to you. How 'bout for New Years and beyond you don't talk to me...that'd work just fine.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You want me to understand something before I blast it? Look at this thread that YOU started. It's whole premise is blasting something, while not understanding it.

I twist words? That's rich. You correlate me finding your nonsense funny to me finding Schindler's List funny.

I don't understand what I'm faced with? You're too much. I'll ask again, do you even know anyone Muslim?

It must beyond your comprehension that anybody could pose a threat to the US. The purpose of thread was to show the stated threat to any non-believers in Islam...that is a fact, by their prophets' own words and the teachings of various sects. How many posts have you replied "I laughed"? If you laughed at this threat, then you would laugh at something as grave as Schindlers List. You could take all of the incidents in Norway,Germany, plus
France and Englands troubles with Muslims....that might give you a clue.
Yes, I know couple of Muslim families. Do you know any Christians that practice their faith?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

It must beyond your comprehension that anybody could pose a threat to the US. The purpose of thread was to show the stated threat to any non-believers in Islam...that is a fact, by their prophets' own words and the teachings of various sects. How many posts have you replied "I laughed"? If you laughed at this threat, then you would laugh at something as grave as Schindlers List. You could take all of the incidents in Norway,Germany, plus
France and Englands troubles with Muslims....that might give you a clue.
Yes, I know couple of Muslim families. Do you know any Christians that practice their faith?

While I don't agree with the overall premise of your post or the legitimacy and fairness of the web site or the author, I understand it's a legitimate discussion considering the World we live in. However the repeated references and connecting of disagreeing with your post to laughing at Schindler's list really is pretty low and takes away from whatever points you are trying to make.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by GBBob

While I don't agree with the overall premise of your post or the legitimacy and fairness of the web site or the author, I understand it's a legitimate discussion considering the World we live in. However the repeated references and connecting of disagreeing with your post to laughing at Schindler's list really is pretty low and takes away from whatever points you are trying to make.

Slow down Bob and read it slow! I didnt say Schindlers List was funny in any way. The threat isn't funny,either. At least you got that part right.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Slow down Bob and read it slow! I didnt say Schindlers List was funny in any way. The threat isn't funny,either. At least you got that part right.

I didn't say YOU thought Schindler's List was funny but it sure seemed that you were inferring that disagreeing with the website/your posts = thinking SL is "funny"..

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I didn't say YOU thought Schindler's List was funny but it sure seemed that you were inferring that disagreeing with the website/your posts = thinking SL is "funny"..

The reference about SL was in reference to Hoss repeated posting of "I laughed". Primarily directed to him, as he came out with his usual blather towards me.

[Danzig]

http://www.csicop.org/si/9505/belief.html


an excerpt:


Beliefs are generated by the belief engine without any automatic concern for truth. Concern for truth is a higher order acquired cognitive orientation that reflects an underlying philosophy which presupposes an objective reality that is not always perceived by our senses.
The belief engine chugs away, strengthening old beliefs, spewing out new ones, rarely discarding any. We can sometimes see the error or foolishness in other people's beliefs. It is very difficult to see the same in our own. We believe in all sorts of things, abstract and concrete -- in the existence of the solar system, atoms, pizza, and five-star restaurants in Paris. Such beliefs are no different in principle from beliefs in fairies at the end of the garden, in ghosts in some deserted abbey, in werewolves, in satanic conspiracies, in miraculous cures, and so on. Such beliefs are all similar in form, all products of the same process, even though they vary widely in content. They may, however, involve greater or lesser involvement of the critical-thinking and emotional-response units.

Critical thinking, logic, reason, science -- these are all terms that apply in one way or another to the deliberate attempt to ferret out truth from the tangle of intuition, distorted perception, and fallible memory. The true critical thinker accepts what few people ever accept -- that one cannot routinely trust perceptions and memories. Figments of our imagination and reflections of our emotional needs can often interfere with or supplant the perception of truth and reality. Through teaching and encouraging critical thought our society will move away from irrationality, but we will never succeed in completely abandoning irrational tendencies, again because of the basic nature of the belief engine.

Experience is often a poor guide to reality. Skepticism helps us to question our experience and to avoid being too readily led to believe what is not so. We should try to remember the words of the late P. J. Bailey (in Festus: A Country Town): "Where doubt, there truth is -- 'tis her shadow."

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.csicop.org/si/9505/belief.html


an excerpt:


Beliefs are generated by the belief engine without any automatic concern for truth. Concern for truth is a higher order acquired cognitive orientation that reflects an underlying philosophy which presupposes an objective reality that is not always perceived by our senses.
The belief engine chugs away, strengthening old beliefs, spewing out new ones, rarely discarding any. We can sometimes see the error or foolishness in other people's beliefs. It is very difficult to see the same in our own. We believe in all sorts of things, abstract and concrete -- in the existence of the solar system, atoms, pizza, and five-star restaurants in Paris. Such beliefs are no different in principle from beliefs in fairies at the end of the garden, in ghosts in some deserted abbey, in werewolves, in satanic conspiracies, in miraculous cures, and so on. Such beliefs are all similar in form, all products of the same process, even though they vary widely in content. They may, however, involve greater or lesser involvement of the critical-thinking and emotional-response units.

Critical thinking, logic, reason, science -- these are all terms that apply in one way or another to the deliberate attempt to ferret out truth from the tangle of intuition, distorted perception, and fallible memory. The true critical thinker accepts what few people ever accept -- that one cannot routinely trust perceptions and memories. Figments of our imagination and reflections of our emotional needs can often interfere with or supplant the perception of truth and reality. Through teaching and encouraging critical thought our society will move away from irrationality, but we will never succeed in completely abandoning irrational tendencies, again because of the basic nature of the belief engine.

Experience is often a poor guide to reality. Skepticism helps us to question our experience and to avoid being too readily led to believe what is not so. We should try to remember the words of the late P. J. Bailey (in Festus: A Country Town): "Where doubt, there truth is -- 'tis her shadow."

Cut to the chase,Ziggy, what are you trying to say??

[Danzig]

since i couldn't find the term i was looking for, i put that up. in general, folks who 'believe' a certain thing will find plenty of info to back it up, while ignoring or discounting that which contradicts what they believe.
i read what you linked in the beginning; where you're able find that it proves the u.s. is in imminent danger, i don't know....but i'm sure you feel that it's perfectly acceptable to find an entire religion to be dangerous because of a certain segment of that population, while there's no doubt in my mind you'd be apopleptic if someone was to take catholics (for instance) to task.

and now no doubt i'll be told there's no comparison...

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

since i couldn't find the term i was looking for, i put that up. in general, folks who 'believe' a certain thing will find plenty of info to back it up, while ignoring or discounting that which contradicts what they believe.
i read what you linked in the beginning; where you're able find that it proves the u.s. is in imminent danger, i don't know....but i'm sure you feel that it's perfectly acceptable to find an entire religion to be dangerous because of a certain segment of that population, while there's no doubt in my mind you'd be apopleptic if someone was to take catholics (for instance) to task.

and now no doubt i'll be told there's no comparison...

I put thread up as a point of information. did you know anything about Taqiyya? I didn't say to string up all Muslims, did I ?? What do Catholics have to do with the topic? How do you people have conversations?...is it all soundbites or what?? Sheesh

[Danzig]

that's just it, i don't think it's information. i don't think certain people are a danger because of the religion they follow, they are dangerous because they're criminal-minded. they use their religion to justify violence, they aren't violent due to their religion.

and your thread title was 'islam and the weapon...', not 'some followers of islam'. that seems pretty broad in scope to me.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I put thread up as a point of information. did you know anything about Taqiyya? I didn't say to string up all Muslims, did I ?? What do Catholics have to do with the topic? How do you people have conversations?...is it all soundbites or what?? Sheesh

is it all muslims or not? you say 'they believe' and then say you're not saying all muslims. which is it?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah, I live in La La land where nothing ever goes wrong and I think we're beyond attacks. Get real for a second Dimmy. This whole thing has nothing to do with your concern for anything. It's about not understanding something that is different than what YOU believe in. You have shown before that you are pretty closed minded about anything that differentiates what you think. This is no different.

Yes, I have family members that are practice their Christian faith. I myself was raised Catholic and was baptized, confirmed, all of the nonsense. So what? I have read enough of the bible to know that i could start a few threads similar to this if I were to take it word for word. the point is, there are crazies that practice all religions.

One thing is for sure..you can't have a conversation without talking trash to me...so let's not have one. It is typical of you to fault me for an observation
nothing new there. Just carry on in your world without me,please.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

One thing is for sure..you can't have a conversation without talking trash to me...so let's not have one. It is typical of you to fault me for an observation nothing new there. Just carry on in your world without me,please.

I'm imagining that, like me, there are a couple of other people who aren't posting anything in here because Hossy is taking words right out of my mouth and doing a perfectly fine job picking apart a thread that started with such a ludicrous premise under the guise of 'oh look at this tidbit i just found, figured i'd share.'

Hossy called bull$hit, just like any other thinking person would have.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I'm imagining that, like me, there are a couple of other people who aren't posting anything in here because Hossy is taking words right out of my mouth and doing a perfectly fine job picking apart a thread that started with such a ludicrous premise under the guise of 'oh look at this tidbit i just found, figured i'd share.'

Hossy called bull$hit, just like any other thinking person would have.

It's your world, boys! I personally expected as much from you two deep thinkers, but i disagree with you that you speak for anyone but yourselves.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

It's your world, boys! I personally expected as much from you two deep thinkers, but i disagree with you that you speak for anyone but yourselves.

That's right, I forgot that disagreeing with the same, usual dogmatic tripe is verboten.

What is funny that you would make a backhanded, sarcastic comment about me or Hossy being a "deep thinker," this coming from the guy whose "sources" are either $hitty op-eds, fearmongering right-wing sites and/or World Net Daily, the last bastion of honest reporting.

You're the last person here who should accuse anyone else of being incapable of having an original thought....

Oh well. I'm caught up now.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

That's right, I forgot that disagreeing with the same, usual dogmatic tripe is verboten.

What is funny that you would make a backhanded, sarcastic comment about me or Hossy being a "deep thinker," this coming from the guy whose "sources" are either $hitty op-eds, fearmongering right-wing sites and/or World Net Daily, the last bastion of honest reporting.

You're the last person here who should accuse anyone else of being incapable of having an original thought....

Oh well. I'm caught up now.

you don't know **** about me...just keep your head in the sand...fine by me.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

It's your world, boys! I personally expected as much from you two deep thinkers, but i disagree with you that you speak for anyone but yourselves.

I just wanted to take this opportunity to point out one more thing that you are wrong about in this thread.
The entire premise for this thread is obvioulsy completely nonsensical, but given that Hossy, Spencer, and now Danzig, have done a fine job of taking up the banner of rational thought against you, we don't ALL really need to pile on you.
So, you can rest assured that you are completely wrong in your statement here. They are speaking for more than just themselves.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I just wanted to take this opportunity to point out one more thing that you are wrong about in this thread.
The entire premise for this thread is obvioulsy completely nonsensical, but given that Hossy, Spencer, and now Danzig, have done a fine job of taking up the banner of rational thought against you, we don't ALL really need to pile on you.
So, you can rest assured that you are completely wrong in your statement here. They are speaking for more than just themselves.

Well, I agree very rarely with TIMM, or HONU. On this subject, they happen to be correct. For example, Zig talks about a Christian she knows that uses the "N" word. He's not doing that for religious reasons. He's not doing that in an effort to follow the teachings of his prophet. He's doing it because he's a racist. His prophet encourages him to not follow his racist views. Right? If not for Christianity, he may very well have used violence against races he doesn't like. Now, compare this to the Muslims that do things we don't agree with. Are they following their prophet's teachings when they blow stuff up, and kill people? Yes, they are following his teachings. For some reason people refuse to believe that. They don't do these acts despite what their prophet says. They do it directly because of what their prophet said. You can say I blanket people all you want, but this is the prophet of their religion. Not some side figure that they can take or leave. If you're a Muslim, then you have a killer for a prophet. He was violent. His teachings are violent. We may get lucky, and some Muslims may refuse to follow their prophet's teachings. Fact is, these terrorists are not disobeying their prophet when they kill innocent people that aren't fellow Muslims. When Christians do these bad things you described, they aren't doing it to satisfy their prophet. It's not done for religious reasons. That's simply not the case when Muslims kill innocent people. I understand the KUM-BA-YA stuff on here, but it's based on ignorance of Islam. Zig, that prophet taught them to convert you to Islam. If you refuse, he taught them to kill you. Enough with the paddy-cake bullsht. If someone chooses to follow that Prophet, then they choose to follow a very violent individual. Read what he said. Who would follow that guy? How can you call yourself peace-loving when your prophet taught you to kill non-believers? How can you have respect for women when your prophet tells you to treat them as your farm animals are treated? Sorry, I don't get that. Your views on this subject are a deep stretch. Ours are based on unfortunate facts that you refuse to accept.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I guess everyone else that disagrees can't have a conversation either. It's typical of you to post something ridiculous, get mad when people call you on it, cry for pity and then whine for me to ignore you. And, for the record the trash talking was started by you.

you are not having a conversation...that would entail discussing the subject
rather than figuring a smartass answer every time. What did I say to you that was trash? I'm not whining....**** yourself.