Jockey Club Gold Cup - Page 3

Scurlogue Champ · #41 08-29-2006, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

I like it when he is alive in the final leg of a pick 6. It doesnt matter if it will pay $2000 or $20,000 he is still a treat to watch.

Haha, I have seen him when he is alive too Euro. I can't even describe it.

I also love to see him when he makes his decision and starts heading to the windows. I would swear that he would push a feeble old woman down to get there, smacking those lips all the way.

ateamstupid · #42 08-29-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

No Bernardini is clearly not comprable to Flower Alley. Please dont confuse the two. Nothing against Flower Alley and I truly hope he comes back and restablishes himself as a prominent 4 year old, but Berardini is simply amazing. Horses like this come around once a twice per decade. Reminds me of Ghostzapper with his versatility and the way he just laughs at the other horses.

I'm so glad you've come around Gander.

Gander · #43 08-29-2006, 04:21 PM

Sometimes it takes me awhile but I usually see the light, LOL!
All those many months I was not appreciating Ghostzapper. It was mainly because he didnt run enough but it was for important reasons.

Hopefully I will see you before you hit the road, but if I dont, safe travels and it was nice talking to you during the meet. I will be at Bel on Oct 7th, 100% chance. Peace.

ateamstupid · #44 08-29-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Sometimes it takes me awhile but I usually see the light, LOL!
All those many months I was not appreciating Ghostzapper. It was mainly because he didnt run enough but it was for important reasons.

Hopefully I will see you before you hit the road, but if I dont, safe travels and it was nice talking to you during the meet. I will be at Bel on Oct 7th, 100% chance. Peace.

I'm working Wednesday, Thursday and Friday and may stick around for the races this weekend. I'll probably see you.

slotdirt · #45 08-29-2006, 04:42 PM

ateam, forgive my ignorance, but what exactly have you been doing up at Saratoga this summer? As in, what is your actual occupation?

#46 08-29-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

lol don't get me wrong, you'd have to be on crack to confuse the two!

he's a beauty. makes it look easy as pie. but i like him more than i ever liked ghostzapper. at least he's run more times in a year than i have fingers on one hand...

i'm getting ahead of myself, but i'm hoping he can carry on the legend at stud from his sire and grandsire. no doubt he will be given every opportunity. his owner has the sheer drive, and the funds to back it up.

In May, 2002 at the time of Seattle Slew's passing, Dan Rosenberg of Three Chimneys Farm said that the name of the great Slew would live on and on through his amazing line. I think he was right and we are really seeing it through his best son at stud A.P. Indy. Bernardini could be another one great on the track and great in the breeding shed.

Danzig · #47 08-29-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning

In May, 2002 at the time of Seattle Slew's passing, Dan Rosenberg of Three Chimneys Farm said that the name of the great Slew would live on and on through his amazing line. I think he was right and we are really seeing it through his best son at stud A.P. Indy. Bernardini could be another one great on the track and great in the breeding shed.

i love slew, and hope that you're right! bernardini will get the best of shots when he moves from occupation one to two..and mineshaft is another with a huge chance. and then pulpit at claiborne... and vindication at hill n dale. they're doing their grandsire and sire proud.

ateamstupid · #48 08-29-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

ateam, forgive my ignorance, but what exactly have you been doing up at Saratoga this summer? As in, what is your actual occupation?

Slangin' sausage, baby!

Rupert Pupkin · #49 08-29-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Don't talk bad about my Roses in May. He's the horse!, and he was very good in his own right. Running a second that was only three lengths off of GZ's 1:59 flat 1 1/4 mile race is proof enough that Roses in May was a very good horse.

You are absolutely right. Roses in May was a very good horse. He would have won the BC Classic many other years. He happened to get unlucky and run against possibly the best horse of the last 20 years. I think GZ's performance in the BC Classic was the best perfomance ever in the BC Classic.

With regard to Bernardini, he is obviously a great horse. I don't think Invasor would have any shot against Bernardini. I would make the over/under on how may lengths Bernardini would beat Invasor by at about 3 lengths minimum. That is a conservative estimate. If they ran in a match-race, I think Bernardini would beat him by at least 5 lengths.

dalakhani · #50 08-29-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You are absolutely right. Roses in May was a very good horse. He would have won the BC Classic many other years. He happened to get unlucky and run against possibly the best horse of the last 20 years. I think GZ's performance in the BC Classic was the best perfomance ever in the BC Classic.

With regard to Bernardini, he is obviously a great horse. I don't think Invasor would have any shot against Bernardini. I would make the over/under on how may lengths Bernardini would beat Invasor by at about 3 lengths minimum. That is a conservative estimate. If they ran in a match-race, I think Bernardini would beat him by at least 5 lengths.

Wow. thats quite a statement rupert. It would make for a really interesting topic. I loved Cigar's and sunday silence and tiznow's respective performances as well for that race.

#51 08-29-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You are absolutely right. Roses in May was a very good horse. He would have won the BC Classic many other years. He happened to get unlucky and run against possibly the best horse of the last 20 years. I think GZ's performance in the BC Classic was the best perfomance ever in the BC Classic.

With regard to Bernardini, he is obviously a great horse. I don't think Invasor would have any shot against Bernardini. I would make the over/under on how may lengths Bernardini would beat Invasor by at about 3 lengths minimum. That is a conservative estimate. If they ran in a match-race, I think Bernardini would beat him by at least 5 lengths.

Rupert, I think Invasor is a great horse, but I also think he could be sitting on a bounce. My best guess is that Bern matched his top last time out or threw a slight top. I think he actually could be improving. I have to agree with you that he would be my bet in a heads up with Invasor.

Scav · #52 08-29-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Wow. thats quite a statement rupert. It would make for a really interesting topic. I loved Cigar's and sunday silence and tiznow's respective performances as well for that race.

Yeah, Tiznow's beats Zappers IMO, Zapper had an easy lead, but it was quick, his fractions were wicked...That being said, Tiznow is down a head and comes back in the biggest race of the year, serious sense of timing to throw it all down

#53 08-29-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Yeah, Tiznow's beats Zappers IMO, Zapper had an easy lead, but it was quick, his fractions were wicked...That being said, Tiznow is down a head and comes back in the biggest race of the year, serious sense of timing to throw it all down

Scav, heart is a great thing, but Zapper would have blown Tiznow so far off the track that he wouldnt have known what hit him. I really think that those who romanticize the sport and certain horses are great, but I think it often clouds their sense of reality. Noone in the world I ever saw in 24 years of watching this sport was gonna beat Ghostzapper that day in the BCC, noone. And Roses performance that day remains the single most underrated performance in history. he would have won any other running and was dead game.

1st_Saturday_in_May · #54 08-29-2006, 06:19 PM

Tiznow's is the one I remember the best, still sends chills down my spine the heart he showed battling back between Sakhee and Albert, and Durkin's call, but Ghostzapper's has to be the most dominating IMO.

randallscott35 · #55 08-29-2006, 06:21 PM

Zappers BCC was without a doubt the fastest fig wise. It wasn't quite exciting to watch until you went back and got a better view of just how impressive his internal fractions were. I don't knock Zapper or his fans. He was a bit fragile though, could only race a few times a year, but when he was right, he was very right. I think 10 furlongs wasn't what he wanted to do, which is scary. A flat mile on dirt in the Breeders Cup would've been wild to see just how fast he could run it in. To me that was his best distance.

randallscott35 · #56 08-29-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

Tiznow's is the one I remember the best, still sends chills down my spine the heart he showed battling back between Sakhee and Albert, and Durkin's call, but Ghostzapper's has to be the most dominating IMO.

I think Albert the Great is also very underrated. He was one tough dude to pass on his day. Really a game animal.

dalakhani · #57 08-29-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Scav, heart is a great thing, but Zapper would have blown Tiznow so far off the track that he wouldnt have known what hit him. I really think that those who romanticize the sport and certain horses are great, but I think it often clouds their sense of reality. Noone in the world I ever saw in 24 years of watching this sport was gonna beat Ghostzapper that day in the BCC, noone. And Roses performance that day remains the single most underrated performance in history. he would have won any other running and was dead game.

You have got to be joking. He beats Cigar? Or alysheba?

#58 08-29-2006, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Zappers BCC was without a doubt the fastest fig wise. It wasn't quite exciting to watch until you went back and got a better view of just how impressive his internal fractions were. I don't knock Zapper or his fans. He was a bit fragile though, could only race a few times a year, but when he was right, he was very right. I think 10 furlongs wasn't what he wanted to do, which is scary. A flat mile on dirt in the Breeders Cup would've been wild to see just how fast he could run it in. To me that was his best distance.

Mineshaft was next on my list. To me, his great year was just that, great. That burst of speed he had was crazy. And the only race he lost was ironically his highets fig ever due to Albarado deciding he needed to be 7 wide, idiot.

#59 08-29-2006, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

You have got to be joking. He beats Cigar? Or alysheba?

LOL!!!
Non sheet guys are pretty funny!!! Alysheba? Cigar? Do you ave any idea just how fast Zapper was? I suggest you hit the archives at TG and take a look. he was absolutely insanely fast. he would have crushed either,

dalakhani · #60 08-29-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!!
Non sheet guys are pretty funny!!! Alysheba? Cigar? Do you ave any idea just how fast Zapper was? I suggest you hit the archives at TG and take a look. he was absolutely insanely fast. he would have crushed either,

That wasnt what i was questioning although that is debatable. I was questioning whether or not roses in may "would have won any other running" of the BCC.