Jockey Club Gold Cup

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Don't talk bad about my Roses in May. He's the horse!, and he was very good in his own right. Running a second that was only three lengths off of GZ's 1:59 flat 1 1/4 mile race is proof enough that Roses in May was a very good horse.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Don't talk bad about my Roses in May. He's the horse!, and he was very good in his own right. Running a second that was only three lengths off of GZ's 1:59 flat 1 1/4 mile race is proof enough that Roses in May was a very good horse.

You are absolutely right. Roses in May was a very good horse. He would have won the BC Classic many other years. He happened to get unlucky and run against possibly the best horse of the last 20 years. I think GZ's performance in the BC Classic was the best perfomance ever in the BC Classic.

With regard to Bernardini, he is obviously a great horse. I don't think Invasor would have any shot against Bernardini. I would make the over/under on how may lengths Bernardini would beat Invasor by at about 3 lengths minimum. That is a conservative estimate. If they ran in a match-race, I think Bernardini would beat him by at least 5 lengths.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You are absolutely right. Roses in May was a very good horse. He would have won the BC Classic many other years. He happened to get unlucky and run against possibly the best horse of the last 20 years. I think GZ's performance in the BC Classic was the best perfomance ever in the BC Classic.

With regard to Bernardini, he is obviously a great horse. I don't think Invasor would have any shot against Bernardini. I would make the over/under on how may lengths Bernardini would beat Invasor by at about 3 lengths minimum. That is a conservative estimate. If they ran in a match-race, I think Bernardini would beat him by at least 5 lengths.

Wow. thats quite a statement rupert. It would make for a really interesting topic. I loved Cigar's and sunday silence and tiznow's respective performances as well for that race.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Wow. thats quite a statement rupert. It would make for a really interesting topic. I loved Cigar's and sunday silence and tiznow's respective performances as well for that race.

Yeah, Tiznow's beats Zappers IMO, Zapper had an easy lead, but it was quick, his fractions were wicked...That being said, Tiznow is down a head and comes back in the biggest race of the year, serious sense of timing to throw it all down

Originally Posted by Scav

Yeah, Tiznow's beats Zappers IMO, Zapper had an easy lead, but it was quick, his fractions were wicked...That being said, Tiznow is down a head and comes back in the biggest race of the year, serious sense of timing to throw it all down

Scav, heart is a great thing, but Zapper would have blown Tiznow so far off the track that he wouldnt have known what hit him. I really think that those who romanticize the sport and certain horses are great, but I think it often clouds their sense of reality. Noone in the world I ever saw in 24 years of watching this sport was gonna beat Ghostzapper that day in the BCC, noone. And Roses performance that day remains the single most underrated performance in history. he would have won any other running and was dead game.

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Tiznow's is the one I remember the best, still sends chills down my spine the heart he showed battling back between Sakhee and Albert, and Durkin's call, but Ghostzapper's has to be the most dominating IMO.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

Tiznow's is the one I remember the best, still sends chills down my spine the heart he showed battling back between Sakhee and Albert, and Durkin's call, but Ghostzapper's has to be the most dominating IMO.

I think Albert the Great is also very underrated. He was one tough dude to pass on his day. Really a game animal.

[randallscott35]

Zappers BCC was without a doubt the fastest fig wise. It wasn't quite exciting to watch until you went back and got a better view of just how impressive his internal fractions were. I don't knock Zapper or his fans. He was a bit fragile though, could only race a few times a year, but when he was right, he was very right. I think 10 furlongs wasn't what he wanted to do, which is scary. A flat mile on dirt in the Breeders Cup would've been wild to see just how fast he could run it in. To me that was his best distance.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Zappers BCC was without a doubt the fastest fig wise. It wasn't quite exciting to watch until you went back and got a better view of just how impressive his internal fractions were. I don't knock Zapper or his fans. He was a bit fragile though, could only race a few times a year, but when he was right, he was very right. I think 10 furlongs wasn't what he wanted to do, which is scary. A flat mile on dirt in the Breeders Cup would've been wild to see just how fast he could run it in. To me that was his best distance.

Mineshaft was next on my list. To me, his great year was just that, great. That burst of speed he had was crazy. And the only race he lost was ironically his highets fig ever due to Albarado deciding he needed to be 7 wide, idiot.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Zappers BCC was without a doubt the fastest fig wise. It wasn't quite exciting to watch until you went back and got a better view of just how impressive his internal fractions were. I don't knock Zapper or his fans. He was a bit fragile though, could only race a few times a year, but when he was right, he was very right. I think 10 furlongs wasn't what he wanted to do, which is scary. A flat mile on dirt in the Breeders Cup would've been wild to see just how fast he could run it in. To me that was his best distance.

gz's bcc was as exciting to watch as war emblems. yaaawn.

a good performance, but watching golf was more exciting...

and i nominate randalls sentance above for understatement of the year! 'he was a bit fragile....'

a BIT?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Scav, heart is a great thing, but Zapper would have blown Tiznow so far off the track that he wouldnt have known what hit him. I really think that those who romanticize the sport and certain horses are great, but I think it often clouds their sense of reality. Noone in the world I ever saw in 24 years of watching this sport was gonna beat Ghostzapper that day in the BCC, noone. And Roses performance that day remains the single most underrated performance in history. he would have won any other running and was dead game.

You have got to be joking. He beats Cigar? Or alysheba?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You have got to be joking. He beats Cigar? Or alysheba?

LOL!!!
Non sheet guys are pretty funny!!! Alysheba? Cigar? Do you ave any idea just how fast Zapper was? I suggest you hit the archives at TG and take a look. he was absolutely insanely fast. he would have crushed either,

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Scav, heart is a great thing, but Zapper would have blown Tiznow so far off the track that he wouldnt have known what hit him. I really think that those who romanticize the sport and certain horses are great, but I think it often clouds their sense of reality. Noone in the world I ever saw in 24 years of watching this sport was gonna beat Ghostzapper that day in the BCC, noone. And Roses performance that day remains the single most underrated performance in history. he would have won any other running and was dead game.

You could be right....Frankel did a hell of a job getting him ready for that race.

The key was the half-mile split. When that 47 popped up on the screen, I knew they'd never catch him (Roses was a half-length back at that point).

Even if Velazquez would've sent Roses out on a quicker pace, Castellano should've been able to get Ghostzapper into a good stalking position....where he likely would've blown by Roses on the turn (similar to the Met Mile, but probably not as dramatic since Roses was much better than anything he faced in that race).

At any rate, it was a superb gate-to-wire performance by both horse and jockey that day....

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You are absolutely right. Roses in May was a very good horse. He would have won the BC Classic many other years. He happened to get unlucky and run against possibly the best horse of the last 20 years. I think GZ's performance in the BC Classic was the best perfomance ever in the BC Classic.

With regard to Bernardini, he is obviously a great horse. I don't think Invasor would have any shot against Bernardini. I would make the over/under on how may lengths Bernardini would beat Invasor by at about 3 lengths minimum. That is a conservative estimate. If they ran in a match-race, I think Bernardini would beat him by at least 5 lengths.

Rupert, I think Invasor is a great horse, but I also think he could be sitting on a bounce. My best guess is that Bern matched his top last time out or threw a slight top. I think he actually could be improving. I have to agree with you that he would be my bet in a heads up with Invasor.