Getting a little ridiculous!

[SniperSB23]

Brewers really got hosed. The loss of Sabathia got them the Yankees first round pick. But Teixeira is higher ranked on the Type A free agent list than Sabathia so the Angels now get the Yankees first round pick. The Brewers get their second round pick which will wind up being about 50 picks lower with all the sandwich picks between the 1st and 2nd rounds. And if the Brewers were to go out and sign a Type A of their own like Juan Cruz they will lose their own first round pick. Real fair system where losing Sabathia and signing Cruz knocks you completely out of the first round.

And the Blue Jays now get bumped down to the Yankees third round pick for losing Burnett, a guy they thought they'd get a first rounder for losing. At this point it actually makes sense for the Yankees to sign more Type A free agents since at this point they would only lose a 4th round pick.

[Stickhorse]

Brewers deserved to get screwed in the first place for hiring the fat hired gun for a half season for their playoff push.

Much the same situation for the Angels and Tex.

If you get a bigtimer for a half season or less you should make a commitment to hang for the long term.

No doubt baseball economics really sucks! But look at our real life economic situation.......

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Stickhorse

Brewers deserved to get screwed in the first place for hiring the fat hired gun for a half season for their playoff push.

Much the same situation for the Angels and Tex.

If you get a bigtimer for a half season or less you should make a commitment to hang for the long term.

No doubt baseball economics really sucks! But look at our real life economic situation.......

This is the dumbest statement I have seen this year. And I have seen some real winners...

[Stickhorse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is the dumbest statement I have seen this year. And I have seen some real winners...

Dumbest? I still think wise franchises know that it is not so smart picking up a player for a pennant run when said player will soon be a free agent.

I really think the DUMBEST STATEMENT HAS TO BE THIS EXCHANGE:

"We still gunna wager on whether Andruw Jones hits 31 or more home runs this year?" -Scudsbrother

"Sure, what do you want to bet?"
- Cannon Shell

You should change your name to Shell Shocked!

Andrew Jones hit 31 HRs in 2008?!?! Now that is a real winner!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Stickhorse

Dumbest? I still think wise franchises know that it is not so smart picking up a player for a pennant run when said player will soon be a free agent.

I really think the DUMBEST STATEMENT HAS TO BE THIS EXCHANGE:

"We still gunna wager on whether Andruw Jones hits 31 or more home runs this year?" -Scudsbrother

"Sure, what do you want to bet?"
- Cannon Shell

You should change your name to Shell Shocked!

Andrew Jones hit 31 HRs in 2008?!?! Now that is a real winner!

yeah teams should be criticized for TRYING TO WIN!!! That is a real winner. I would rather my team just keep turning a profit and never taking a risk to WIN THE WORLD SERIES!!! Yeah lets make it so that only the Yankees and Red Sox ever make a move. You are obviously have no understanding of baseball and should stick to something a little less mentally challenging like figuring out who could possibly be contenders for horse of the year.

[dalakhani]

Merry Christmas everyone!

I am taking a break as the kiddies are finally asleep.

The Yankees have put themselves in a "no win" situation. With that type of payroll, its world series title or utter failure even if they get there and lose. And even if they win it, the title was "bought". I dont think that there are too many real Yankee fans that see this and are pleased.

Im not piling on Stickhorse but I loved that Milwuakee went for the gusto this year when they had the chance to rent sabbathia for half the season. Opportunities for small market teams like the Brewers to actually contend don't come around too often and its great for baseball when they do.

Much like what happened in the eighties, economics and age will catch up with the Yankees and they will be forced to start over...eventually.

Very hard to cheer for this team. I do think they make the playoffs though. If midseason comes and its close, they will rent a couple of more players. They do have a couple of more prospects on the farm than Chuck wants to admit.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Merry Christmas everyone!

I am taking a break as the kiddies are finally asleep.

The Yankees have put themselves in a "no win" situation. With that type of payroll, its world series title or utter failure even if they get there and lose. And even if they win it, the title was "bought". I dont think that there are too many real Yankee fans that see this and are pleased.

Im not piling on Stickhorse but I loved that Milwuakee went for the gusto this year when they had the chance to rent sabbathia for half the season. Opportunities for small market teams like the Brewers to actually contend don't come around too often and its great for baseball when they do.

Much like what happened in the eighties, economics and age will catch up with the Yankees and they will be forced to start over...eventually.

Very hard to cheer for this team. I do think they make the playoffs though. If midseason comes and its close, they will rent a couple of more players. They do have a couple of more prospects on the farm than Chuck wants to admit.

Who are these prospects that I have missed?

[Stickhorse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

yeah teams should be criticized for TRYING TO WIN!!! That is a real winner. I would rather my team just keep turning a profit and never taking a risk to WIN THE WORLD SERIES!!! Yeah lets make it so that only the Yankees and Red Sox ever make a move. You are obviously have no understanding of baseball and should stick to something a little less mentally challenging like figuring out who could possibly be contenders for horse of the year.

Settle down, I'm not criticizing teams for trying to win. I'm criticizing teams for being too impatient and sacrificing their future for a quick fix. Better to be a contender year after year than to sell out for an unsuccessful title run.

The better franchises have it figured out. Build your team for the long haul. Beat your opponents in the draft. I will concede that once in awhile you might have to pick up a free agent during the season. The Dodgers picking up Manny midseason was not a a typical move for them.

The Red Sox are a great example of building a solid team via the draft.

Patience is still important in building a successful sports franchise just as it is in managing a stable.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Stickhorse

Settle down, I'm not criticizing teams for trying to win. I'm criticizing teams for being too impatient and sacrificing their future for a quick fix. Better to be a contender year after year than to sell out for an unsuccessful title run.

The better franchises have it figured out. Build your team for the long haul. Beat your opponents in the draft. I will concede that once in awhile you might have to pick up a free agent during the season. The Dodgers picking up Manny midseason was not a a typical move for them.

The Red Sox are a great example of building a solid team via the draft.

Patience is still important in building a successful sports franchise just as it is in managing a stable.

Whoa. I agree that Boston's front office is as shrewd as there is out there but the keys to their championship teams WERENT built through the draft. The first title was led by Manny (free agent) Papi (free agent) and the pitchers were all a result of trades or free agency. Granted, it is fair to say that they had to draft and develop the prospects to trade away for a Josh Beckett but lets not act like the Red Sox are this homegrown championship contender like Tampa or Philly. A majority of Boston's regulars during their title runs did not come up through their system.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Stickhorse

Settle down, I'm not criticizing teams for trying to win. I'm criticizing teams for being too impatient and sacrificing their future for a quick fix. Better to be a contender year after year than to sell out for an unsuccessful title run.

The better franchises have it figured out. Build your team for the long haul. Beat your opponents in the draft. I will concede that once in awhile you might have to pick up a free agent during the season. The Dodgers picking up Manny midseason was not a a typical move for them.

The Red Sox are a great example of building a solid team via the draft.

Patience is still important in building a successful sports franchise just as it is in managing a stable.

But they get 2 draft picks when the players fail to resign with them so I fail to see how that is not beneficial to building a team via the draft. The Red Sox added Ortiz, Beckett, Lowell, Varitek, Drew, Schilling, Damon, Manny, Dice K, etc were all added via trade or free agency so the thought that the Red Sox have built mainly through the draft is fiction though they have done much better in player development than the Yankees. Milwaukee hardly sold out in trading LaPorta for Sabathia. He was the only player of signifigance they gave up and wasnt a great fit on the current roster in the immediate future as his only 2 positions are all blocked by superior players. Milwaukee made an attempt to win when they had the chance, they did what every team in that position should do.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Brewers really got hosed. The loss of Sabathia got them the Yankees first round pick. But Teixeira is higher ranked on the Type A free agent list than Sabathia so the Angels now get the Yankees first round pick. The Brewers get their second round pick which will wind up being about 50 picks lower with all the sandwich picks between the 1st and 2nd rounds. And if the Brewers were to go out and sign a Type A of their own like Juan Cruz they will lose their own first round pick. Real fair system where losing Sabathia and signing Cruz knocks you completely out of the first round.

And the Blue Jays now get bumped down to the Yankees third round pick for losing Burnett, a guy they thought they'd get a first rounder for losing. At this point it actually makes sense for the Yankees to sign more Type A free agents since at this point they would only lose a 4th round pick.

Though all the teams that lose type A's do get a sandwich pick between the first and second rounds for each type A they lose.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Though all the teams that lose type A's do get a sandwich pick between the first and second rounds for each type A they lose.

True but it's just a silly system where the Yanks could go out and sign Oliver Perez and the Mets get a 4th round pick for it while the Red Sox could sign him and the Mets get a 1st rounder. At least add an extra sandwich pick for a team instead of moving the picks down to the 2nd to 4th rounds.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

True but it's just a silly system where the Yanks could go out and sign Oliver Perez and the Mets get a 4th round pick for it while the Red Sox could sign him and the Mets get a 1st rounder. At least add an extra sandwich pick for a team instead of moving the picks down to the 2nd to 4th rounds.

Or give them the option of getting the teams 1st rd pick the next year

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Or give them the option of getting the teams 1st rd pick the next year

Then the Blue Jays would be choosing whether to take the Yankees third round pick this year or their first rounder in 2057.