Getting a little ridiculous!

[SniperSB23]

I was looking at Teixeira for 8 years earlier and had decided it was rather stupid, glad to see it was the Yankees that stepped in with the stupidity. Here's the numbers I dug up.

Top ten similar players through Age 28:

Carlos Delgado*(935)
Kent Hrbek*(925)
Fred McGriff*(913)
Jim Thome*(911)
Will Clark*(910)
Jeff Bagwell*(909)
Willie McCovey*(906)
Richie Sexson*(904)
Shawn Green*(901)
Paul Konerko*(899)

The worst case is Hrbek and Green who only made it to what would be year 6 of the contract before being out of baseball. Sexson and Konerko are yet to hit 34 and are already on their way out. So you have a 6 in 10 success rate with those six all being big name players in Delgado, McGriff, Thome, Clark, Bagwell, and McCovey. Here are their average statistics at 34-36.

At 34 - .274 22 HRs 77 RBIs
At 35 - .283 29 HRs 84 RBIs
At 36 - .277 28 HRs 90 RBIs

A solid player but is that really someone you want to be paying $20 million a year? Not to mention that he could turn out a Green/Hrbek/Sexson/Konerko.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I was looking at Teixeira for 8 years earlier and had decided it was rather stupid, glad to see it was the Yankees that stepped in with the stupidity. Here's the numbers I dug up.

Top ten similar players through Age 28:

Carlos Delgado*(935)
Kent Hrbek*(925)
Fred McGriff*(913)
Jim Thome*(911)
Will Clark*(910)
Jeff Bagwell*(909)
Willie McCovey*(906)
Richie Sexson*(904)
Shawn Green*(901)
Paul Konerko*(899)

The worst case is Hrbek and Green who only made it to what would be year 6 of the contract before being out of baseball. Sexson and Konerko are yet to hit 34 and are already on their way out. So you have a 6 in 10 success rate with those six all being big name players in Delgado, McGriff, Thome, Clark, Bagwell, and McCovey. Here are their average statistics at 34-36.

At 34 - .274 22 HRs 77 RBIs
At 35 - .283 29 HRs 84 RBIs
At 36 - .277 28 HRs 90 RBIs

A solid player but is that really someone you want to be paying $20 million a year? Not to mention that he could turn out a Green/Hrbek/Sexson/Konerko.

He is worth the money for the next 4 or 5 years and is a far superior defensive player to all of those players. Not to mention that he is a switch hitter who will have Arod hitting behind him (assuming the bat him third and Arod 4th which is the logical scenario) meaning he will see pitches and score lots of runs. The deal is most likely a bad one in when he is 37 but that is a long ways off. He is a much better deal at the numbers suggested than Sabathia's deal.

[MaTH716]

Does this mean that they are out of the Manny sweepstakes?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Does this mean that they are out of the Manny sweepstakes?

They are never out of any sweepstakes.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

they can and will spend all they want .and still miss the playoffs.. too many stars in the line up means that if the team isnt a team..remember their is no 'i' in team..it will implode..

[SniperSB23]

In addition to their 2009 payroll swelling to $200 million, they now have 9 players under contract for 2010 at a combined payroll over $157 million. And those 9 players include Kei Igawa.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

In addition to their 2009 payroll swelling to $200 million, they now have 9 players under contract for 2010 at a combined payroll over $157 million. And those 9 players include Kei Igawa.

With little talent major league ready in the minors besides A. Jackson.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

they can and will spend all they want .and still miss the playoffs.. too many stars in the line up means that if the team isnt a team..remember their is no 'i' in team..it will implode..

The biggest spender rarely wins it all. I'll gander a guess and say they make it to October, but fall short of the ultimate goal. I say this only because I hate Hank.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Teix had 1 rbi in that post. K, so fk that signing. It's stupid. You don't have to be that smart to see that a guy getting 1 rbi in the post is not the best signing for the purposes of getting a ring. I don't get it. I don't fear him in the post. I know who to fear in the post(ain't him.)

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

the evil empire is back..

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is worth the money for the next 4 or 5 years and is a far superior defensive player to all of those players. Not to mention that he is a switch hitter who will have Arod hitting behind him (assuming the bat him third and Arod 4th which is the logical scenario) meaning he will see pitches and score lots of runs. The deal is most likely a bad one in when he is 37 but that is a long ways off. He is a much better deal at the numbers suggested than Sabathia's deal.

At a 6 year deal he's worth $20 million a year, those extra two years though make it a very risky deal, not that the Yankees seem to care about those even though they keep getting burnt on them. I just read the part about the Yankees now having the four highest paid players in baseball, that is nuts. Especially when you factor in that they also have the highest paid catcher, highest paid closer, and highest paid #2 starter in baseball to go with it. And past their primes Matsui and Damon making $13 million each. Yet the taxpayers of NYC are supposed to give them $450 million to finance the stadium? What leverage do they have? Not like they are going to move out of town if they don't get that money. That would be franchise suicide.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

At a 6 year deal he's worth $20 million a year, those extra two years though make it a very risky deal, not that the Yankees seem to care about those even though they keep getting burnt on them. I just read the part about the Yankees now having the four highest paid players in baseball, that is nuts. Especially when you factor in that they also have the highest paid catcher, highest paid closer, and highest paid #2 starter in baseball to go with it. And past their primes Matsui and Damon making $13 million each. Yet the taxpayers of NYC are supposed to give them $450 million to finance the stadium? What leverage do they have? Not like they are going to move out of town if they don't get that money. That would be franchise suicide.

Baseball is likely to lower the margin of the salary tax to make the yankees pay more in the next contract. The fact that they are getting taxpayer dollars while flaunting their wealth is troubling. But on a strictly baseball on the field move this was a huge move up for them in the lineup and at 1st. He is easily the best 1st baseman they have had since Mattingly and is a perfect fit for their lineup. They still have some issues in the outfield and behind the plate but the players they have signed are all better than the players they replace and in Tex's case far better.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Baseball is likely to lower the margin of the salary tax to make the yankees pay more in the next contract. The fact that they are getting taxpayer dollars while flaunting their wealth is troubling. But on a strictly baseball on the field move this was a huge move up for them in the lineup and at 1st. He is easily the best 1st baseman they have had since Mattingly and is a perfect fit for their lineup. They still have some issues in the outfield and behind the plate but the players they have signed are all better than the players they replace and in Tex's case far better.

It's a good baseball move, especially in the short run but has the potential to backfire in the last three years of the deal. I wouldn't have as big a problem with it if they weren't asking for taxpayer money, then it would just be the Yankees being the Yankees. Now it is more a slap in the face at taxpayers.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

It's a piss poor deal. What do the Yanks want to accomplish? Get a ring? I don't think this is the guy for that. If you're talking about getting to the post, then sure, but they surely want more than that. I don't get the infatuation with him. Every team he has been on looks pretty flat in the crunch. The Texas teams always lacked fire in the gut. The Angels (in the post) lacked any fire in the post with him. Go back and try looking at the series his team just lost to Boston in the post. WTF you giving this guy all this $$ for if he isn't doing anything more than a couple singles a game? That's typical of that guy in big games when he was with Texas too. Fly balls, lil singles, strike outs, walks, fielder choice ground ball outs. You see a guy (in that series against Boston) that's that valuable in the post? Huh? He's a good citizen and all that, but, in the post, the YANKS are probably gunna get what he did for the Halos in the post. It ain't all that. Yea, he's tame. He is too fkn tame. In my opinion, this is the worst signing this winter. He is not a difference maker in the post. The other contracts have a possiblity of being great in the post, but there again, Sabathia hasn't been that great in the post. Yanks are gunna lose in the post.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

It's a piss poor deal. What do the Yanks want to accomplish? Get a ring? I don't think this is the guy for that. If you're talking about getting to the post, then sure, but they surely want more than that. I don't get the infatuation with him. Every team he has been on looks pretty flat in the crunch. The Texas teams always lacked fire in the gut. The Angels (in the post) lacked any fire in the post with him. Go back and try looking at the series his team just lost to Boston in the post. WTF you giving this guy all this $$ for if he isn't doing anything more than a couple singles a game? That's typical of that guy in big games when he was with Texas too. Fly balls, lil singles, strike outs, walks, fielder choice ground ball outs. You see a guy (in that series against Boston) that's that valuable in the post? Huh? He's a good citizen and all that, but, in the post, the YANKS are probably gunna get what he did for the Halos in the post. It ain't all that. Yea, he's tame. He is too fkn tame. In my opinion, this is the worst signing this winter. He is not a difference maker in the post. The other contracts have a possiblity of being great in the post, but there again, Sabathia hasn't been that great in the post.

You would have hated Ernie Banks

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You would have hated Ernie Banks

We talkin' about spending money to get a ring, or spending money to have a decent 162 game season? They better find some post season players, or it's gunna be a while before they get a ring.

[phystech]

Orioles fan's hearts are broken once again....

Thought the O's had a shot at getting Tex since he grew up local to Baltimore. But ol' Asbestos Pete wouldn't shake the cobwebs out of his pocketbook even with the MASN gift MLB gave him.

Ah well, it's always easy getting a seat at Camden Yards now, so there's one up-side....

[Storm Cadet]

Baseball franchises,as pointed out yesterday on ESPN,are a business. The Yankees are a corporation just like IBM.

Their player salary is say 200 million and they bring in over 600 million from fans, radio, TV contracts etc. Their salaries are LOWER than last season.

So they pay MLB a lousy 25 mil in luxury tax,

I wish GM, Ford and all the other lousy companies we taxpayers are bailing out would run their business the way the Yankees do. And do you think all those owners who are taking the Yankees luxury tax profits are spending it on their team or lining their own pockets like AIG, Citibank, GM, JP Morgan?

Would you rather (and I know most Yankee haters would say yes) the Yankees go back to their days of spending 100 million on bums, get less than 1 million fans, be a non factor like the early 70's and most of the 80's with crickets as fans in Yankee Stadium. The place was as deserted as Aqueduct Racetrack is now!

I am a fan and want to see stars play here, why do you think they pack the Stadium every game? All of NY is like that as are most big market teams. Stars drive attendance which drives the profit margin which is what companies are supposed to do. NOT winning a Championship for 8 years HAS NOT made Yankee tickets any less desirable. Just try getting a seat this year. Almost impossible already. Ever try getting a spring training ticket for the Yankees? Already almost sold out. Ever try getting a good seat on the road to watch the Yankees? Hah, the other greedy owners who take the Yankees luxury tax and put it right into their pockets, circle the dates the Yankees come to town, as they do for the Red Sox. Hotels and restaurants are booked months in advance for the dates the Yanks come to town. Ask the other owners if they want the Yankees to go back to 1970 status when they had the Horace Clark's of the world playing for them.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

Baseball franchises,as pointed out yesterday on ESPN,are a business. The Yankees are a corporation just like IBM.

Their player salary is say 200 million and they bring in over 600 million from fans, radio, TV contracts etc. Their salaries are LOWER than last season.

So they pay MLB a lousy 25 mil in luxury tax,

I wish GM, Ford and all the other lousy companies we taxpayers are bailing out would run their business the way the Yankees do. And do you think all those owners who are taking the Yankees luxury tax profits are spending it on their team or lining their own pockets like AIG, Citibank, GM, JP Morgan?

Would you rather (and I know most Yankee haters would say yes) the Yankees go back to their days of spending 100 million on bums, get less than 1 million fans, be a non factor like the early 70's and most of the 80's with crickets as fans in Yankee Stadium. The place was as deserted as Aqueduct Racetrack is now!

I am a fan and want to see stars play here, why do you think they pack the Stadium every game? All of NY is like that as are most big market teams. Stars drive attendance which drives the profit margin which is what companies are supposed to do. NOT winning a Championship for 8 years HAS NOT made Yankee tickets any less desirable. Just try getting a seat this year. Almost impossible already. Ever try getting a spring training ticket for the Yankees? Already almost sold out. Ever try getting a good seat on the road to watch the Yankees? Hah, the other greedy owners who take the Yankees luxury tax and put it right into their pockets, circle the dates the Yankees come to town, as they do for the Red Sox. Hotels and restaurants are booked months in advance for the dates the Yanks come to town. Ask the other owners if they want the Yankees to go back to 1970 status when they had the Horace Clark's of the world playing for them.

Hey every good story must have a villan

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Storm Cadet

Baseball franchises,as pointed out yesterday on ESPN,are a business. The Yankees are a corporation just like IBM.

Their player salary is say 200 million and they bring in over 600 million from fans, radio, TV contracts etc. Their salaries are LOWER than last season.

So they pay MLB a lousy 25 mil in luxury tax,

I wish GM, Ford and all the other lousy companies we taxpayers are bailing out would run their business the way the Yankees do. And do you think all those owners who are taking the Yankees luxury tax profits are spending it on their team or lining their own pockets like AIG, Citibank, GM, JP Morgan?

Would you rather (and I know most Yankee haters would say yes) the Yankees go back to their days of spending 100 million on bums, get less than 1 million fans, be a non factor like the early 70's and most of the 80's with crickets as fans in Yankee Stadium. The place was as deserted as Aqueduct Racetrack is now!

I am a fan and want to see stars play here, why do you think they pack the Stadium every game? All of NY is like that as are most big market teams. Stars drive attendance which drives the profit margin which is what companies are supposed to do. NOT winning a Championship for 8 years HAS NOT made Yankee tickets any less desirable. Just try getting a seat this year. Almost impossible already. Ever try getting a spring training ticket for the Yankees? Already almost sold out. Ever try getting a good seat on the road to watch the Yankees? Hah, the other greedy owners who take the Yankees luxury tax and put it right into their pockets, circle the dates the Yankees come to town, as they do for the Red Sox. Hotels and restaurants are booked months in advance for the dates the Yanks come to town. Ask the other owners if they want the Yankees to go back to 1970 status when they had the Horace Clark's of the world playing for them.

The thing is, the Yanks are looking for a bailout just like those other companies in the form of a $450 million taxpayer subsidy for the construction of the new stadium. Yet unlike those companies who are giving off the public image that they are cutting back the Yankees are thumbing their nose at the taxpayers bailing them out. The city shouldn't give them their money and dare them to leave town. They'll never in a million years do it. The only reason you subsidize a stadium is if you believe the team will leave if you don't. Or if you're Rudy Giuliani and the Yanks will hire all your friends to work for them if you subsidize it.