S. Husbands Gets A Year? What Other Jocks Don't Ride To Wire?

SCUDSBROTHER · #1 12-12-2008, 04:12 PM

Shouldn't of had that whip if he wasn't gunna use it. Would look a whole lot better if he hadn't had that whip with him. If somebody thinks the bettors are cool with a guy with a whip not hitting a horse full of run(and eventually losing,) then they are badly mistaken. Right now, it looks like he is covering for the jock. A year is a long time. They aren't buying the trainers story. We don't know why that is. I'm not sure we want to know that. Just take the punishment. It's necessary for the sport. A guy was out there with a horse full of run, and didn't use the whip he had with him(and he lost.) Not only did he lose, but the jock never seemed very interested in winning that race. So, I have no sympathy for any involved. Do it differently. Really, if they want to be bush, then go down to Louisiana. There is a place for this stuff. This has become a very horizontal game. This jock may not have cared much about winning on this day, but bettors care about who wins these races.

SCUDSBROTHER · #2 12-12-2008, 09:56 PM

If you look at those 2 previous races, the horse looks tired from being in too tough. I know his previous was also a maiden claimer, and he is wide in there the whole way. He tried to rally outside on the turn, and simply tires. I don't think he ran better on the 30th because he wasn't asked. He saved ground against what appears to be a lot easier group. There's almost 4 seconds difference in the 4f split time. This looks like a guy letting his bro win a cheap race, and a 4% trainer covering for him. The jock isn't under a gag order is he? Why isn't he talking? I mean look at those last 2 races. Don't they look a lot tougher? Watch them. They are tougher races. That's a tired horse. Whip or no whip that horse was exhausted in those 2 previous. Trainer is gunna blame that on being hit? I know trainers are good salesmen, but wow!!

Round Pen · #3 12-13-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If you look at those 2 previous races, the horse looks tired from being in too tough. I know his previous was also a maiden claimer, and he is wide in there the whole way. He tried to rally outside on the turn, and simply tires. I don't think he ran better on the 30th because he wasn't asked. He saved ground against what appears to be a lot easier group. There's almost 4 seconds difference in the 4f split time. This looks like a guy letting his bro win a cheap race, and a 4% trainer covering for him. The jock isn't under a gag order is he? Why isn't he talking? I mean look at those last 2 races. Don't they look a lot tougher? Watch them. They are tougher races. That's a tired horse. Whip or no whip that horse was exhausted in those 2 previous. Trainer is gunna blame that on being hit? I know trainers are good salesmen, but wow!!

THe race prior to this was for Maiden 12,500 no shot that race was tougher. As for the trainer covering for him He made a statement concerning the race several days before Simon met with the Stewards. I do not know Jon Leblanc but I have talked to a couple of trainers up there one Being Mark Casse and he has told me Mr Leblanc is a hard working stand up guy one who is very well respected on the backside.

SCUDSBROTHER · #4 12-13-2008, 01:10 PM

Well, as always, people close to this game aren't gunna want anything negative to come out about it. It's not in their best immediate interest, and so they try to tell everyone a story. That's what you got here. A story. They needed a story. The trainer put out a story. It didn't work. It usually does work. People close ranks to protect those in the industry. Trainer says the horse won't keep running if hit, but why does he let the jock take a whip with him? People can shill all they want, but the evidence is he took a whip out there. Evidently, the trainer didn't tell the stewards he wasn't gunna be hitting the horse with the whip. What do you expect them to do? Why don't you go by the evidence (instead of going by what you want the evidence to be.) So far, you have a horse who is exhausted in his previous 2 races. If the trainer wants to say he stopped because he was hit, then the stewards didn't buy it. They see a very tired horse. So, he is gunna have a very tough time selling that theory(that the horse stopped in his last 2 due to being hit.) The stewards have collected the evidence, and evidently didn't seem to have any trouble figuring out what had happened. You think they gave him a year if there was even a little question in their minds that he did it? They should let this die, because I doubt this video is the total evidence they used in determining his punishment. So far, you have come up with comments from trainers(some of the best natural salesmen on planet earth.) A trainer put out a story about his horse not wanting to be whipped, but he didn't tell the stewards the horse wasn't gunna be whipped. He let the jock carry a whip on a horse he knew wasn't gunna be whipped. That's your best case scenario. I don't think it's a good scenario at all. There is no good outcome to this. The bettors were deceived no matter how the shills couch this thing. Naturally, they've gotten behind the least damaging theory of what took place.

Round Pen · #5 12-13-2008, 01:54 PM

Everyone has an opinion Here and I do Respect yours but IMO there is no way he stiffs this horse and makes it look this obvious. I have watched the replay of every start bug's boy has made not just his last 2 and he has never picked up his feet in any of them. One thing we will never know is if Simon had went to hitting BB with the whip left and right hand and started riding him vigorously at the 1/4 pole how would he have finished????? would he have WON or finished up the track like he had in all of his starts.

Don't be surprised when this case goes to appeal that it is not over turned in someway.

SCUDSBROTHER · #6 12-13-2008, 05:07 PM

Where's the jock in question? If your innocent, don't ya start telling anyone who will listen? Like I said, this is not a case where nobody is guilty at all. The most you can hope for is they let him go out there with a whip(but not use it,) and not tell the stewards. That's not much better. Somebody needs a suspension for this situation. WTF is the matter with people that are so accepting of them ....having a whip.....not using it......not telling stewards they were gunna do that? That's o.k. with you? Not me.

Riot · #7 12-13-2008, 06:05 PM

Thanks for posting the YouTube link ... that's the ride they are getting so upset about? If they are going to freak over that, they ought to look at the 6, too.