Discreet Cat makes huge statement in comeback

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Since Joel is criticizing someone else for being a certain way, wouldn't you call it hypocritical for him to do the same damn thing? Correct me if I'm wrong, please. Also, Joel didn't respond to being attacked by sticking up for himself... he did the exact opposite in fact. He tried to make someone else look stupid (even if Oracle DOES go overboard.) So, you're saying that it's ok for Joel to do that as a professional because Oracle did it as well? That's mature.

No, whats symptomatic on this board is the attitude that everything that the oral guy does is okay and if you respond then you are out of line. Its like he's the lord of the flies and everyone just follows for fear that he may attack you next.

Joel is his own man. Oralguy has attacked him repeatedly over the last few days so he responded. I see you calling Joel out but why not the oral guy?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

No, whats symptomatic on this board is the attitude that everything that the oral guy does is okay and if you respond then you are out of line. Its like he's the lord of the flies and everyone just follows for fear that he may attack you next.

Joel is his own man. Oralguy has attacked him repeatedly over the last few days so he responded. I see you calling Joel out but why not the oral guy?

Because I expect MORE of Joel than that. That's why. Most of the posters on this board are aware of Oracle's outbursts and know that he hardly ever means anything from them. For Joel to call out Mike like that and degrade him in his line of business on a public message board... well, let's just say that I expect more out of him. I respect BOTH of their opinions (at different times), but in this situation, I think that Joel was out of line by bringing business into the conversation. JMO.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Because I expect MORE of Joel than that. That's why. Most of the posters on this board are aware of Oracle's outbursts and know that he hardly ever means anything from them. For Joel to call out Mike like that and degrade him in his line of business on a public message board... well, let's just say that I expect more out of him. I respect BOTH of their opinions (at different times), but in this situation, I think that Joel was out of line by bringing business into the conversation. JMO.

Joel was out of line for responding to constant attacks but the attacker wasnt out of line because you "expect more" from Joel? That makes a TON of sense. So basically, Joel gets penalised because he is usually a nice guy but Oralguy80 is given a free pass because he always does it.

Joel is human just like the rest of us. Oralguy has questioned his credibility amongst a few other swipes in the last couple of months. He also threatened him in another thread. How could he not respond?

Joel is passionate and he is well versed. I dont always agree but he is a joy to read. But the only thing i expect out of him is to be human and i dont expect any more or less out of him than i do the oralguy or anyone else.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Joel was out of line for responding to constant attacks but the attacker wasnt out of line because you "expect more" from Joel? That makes a TON of sense. So basically, Joel gets penalised because he is usually a nice guy but Oralguy80 is given a free pass because he always does it.

Joel is human just like the rest of us. Oralguy has questioned his credibility amongst a few other swipes in the last couple of months. He also threatened him in another thread. How could he not respond?

Joel is passionate and he is well versed. I dont always agree but he is a joy to read. But the only thing i expect out of him is to be human and i dont expect any more or less out of him than i do the oralguy or anyone else.

I guess my expectations for him are higher than yours are for him...

He is young, well versed and we share a few things in common. I can't make much sense on a message board (it's tough), but basically, I expected SOMEONE to be the mature adult in the situation and it happened to be Joel. Sorry if I offended you.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I guess my expectations for him are higher than yours are for him...

This is a ridiculous statement and that is all I'll say...

Ironically, I'm a little disappointed in Cajun for this statement....

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

This is a ridiculous statement and that is all I'll say...

Ironically, I'm a little disappointed in Cajun for this statement....

I think you know what I mean, Joel... if you don't, then please pm me and I'll be more than happy to explain it to you.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Joel was out of line for responding to constant attacks but the attacker wasnt out of line because you "expect more" from Joel? That makes a TON of sense. So basically, Joel gets penalised because he is usually a nice guy but Oralguy80 is given a free pass because he always does it.

Joel is human just like the rest of us. Oralguy has questioned his credibility amongst a few other swipes in the last couple of months. He also threatened him in another thread. How could he not respond?

Joel is passionate and he is well versed. I dont always agree but he is a joy to read. But the only thing i expect out of him is to be human and i dont expect any more or less out of him than i do the oralguy or anyone else.

Thanks Dalakhani.....I appreciate that at least soembody understands where I'm coming from....I did not want this....this is all counterproductive and a HUGE waste of time...I'd rather be talking about horses, but I will not sit back and allow people to attack me for no reason...it is not right and its against my nature....

Sorry that some of you don't understand that.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Because I expect MORE of Joel than that. That's why. Most of the posters on this board are aware of Oracle's outbursts and know that he hardly ever means anything from them. For Joel to call out Mike like that and degrade him in his line of business on a public message board... well, let's just say that I expect more out of him. I respect BOTH of their opinions (at different times), but in this situation, I think that Joel was out of line by bringing business into the conversation. JMO.

Oh Cajon....you disappoint me here. How can you hold person A to certain standards and person B to other standards. If both people are professionals in the business then you should hold them to the same standards. Oracle sinks way below my standards and Joe has sunk as well. Just because someone has a reputation for acting a certain doesnt mean you have to accept that behavior. Hold both people to the same standards. Most people on this board are in the business and we all should be held and judge by the same set of professional standards.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oh Cajon....you disappoint me here. How can you hold person A to certain standards and person B to other standards. If both people are professionals in the business then you should hold them to the same standards. Oracle sinks way below my standards and Joe has sunk as well. Just because someone has a reputation for acting a certain doesnt mean you have to accept that behavior. Hold both people to the same standards. Most people on this board are in the business and we all should be held and judge by the same set of professional standards.

AMEN!!!!!!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oh Cajon....you disappoint me here. How can you hold person A to certain standards and person B to other standards. If both people are professionals in the business then you should hold them to the same standards. Oracle sinks way below my standards and Joe has sunk as well. Just because someone has a reputation for acting a certain doesnt mean you have to accept that behavior. Hold both people to the same standards. Most people on this board are in the business and we all should be held and judge by the same set of professional standards.

Read my above post, Euro.

I haven't read Mike's posts the past few days (I've been out of town), but where did he make a mockery of Joel in a professional manner? That's all I was referring to. If he did, I apologize. The only complaint I had against Joel was the fact that he inferred that the people Mike works with have a problem with him. I didn't understand why he said that, but if Mike said something in a similar capacity, then I didn't read that.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Read my above post, Euro.

I haven't read Mike's posts the past few days (I've been out of town), but where did he make a mockery of Joel in a professional manner? That's all I was referring to. If he did, I apologize. The only complaint I had against Joel was the fact that he inferred that the people Mike works with have a problem with him. I didn't understand why he said that, but if Mike said something in a similar capacity, then I didn't read that.

Again Cajun, you have set two different set of standards to two people who are professionals. You have to expect and demand that both people act like adults. Just because one person consistanly act likes a child it doesnt mean that that person gets a free pass on their behavior. Just because another person always takes the high road doesnt mean that person also gets a free pass when they slip and take the low road. In this case, the two people involved are wrong and I am disappointed in both.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Again Cajun, you have set two different set of standards to two people who are professionals. You have to expect and demand that both people act like adults. Just because one person consistanly act likes a child it doesnt mean that that person gets a free pass on their behavior. Just because another person always takes the high road doesnt mean that person also gets a free pass when they slip and take the low road. In this case, the two people involved are wrong and I am disappointed in both.

I agree with that Euro. BUT, I'm still disappointed in Joel because I think he should have kept to his higher standards.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I agree with that Euro. BUT, I'm still disappointed in Joel because I think he should have kept to his higher standards.

LOL

By the way, what did you guys think about Discreet Cat? I say that is the horse to beat.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Because I expect MORE of Joel than that. That's why. Most of the posters on this board are aware of Oracle's outbursts and know that he hardly ever means anything from them. For Joel to call out Mike like that and degrade him in his line of business on a public message board... well, let's just say that I expect more out of him. I respect BOTH of their opinions (at different times), but in this situation, I think that Joel was out of line by bringing business into the conversation. JMO.

Oh Cajon....you disappoint me here. How can you hold person A to certain standards and person B to other standards. If both people are professionals in the business then you should hold them to the same standards. Oracle sinks way below my standards and Joe has sunk as well. Just because someone has a reputation for acting a certain way doesnt mean you have to accept that behavior. Hold both people to the same standards. Most people on this board are in the business and we all should be held and judge by the same set of professional standards.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Because I expect MORE of Joel than that. That's why. Most of the posters on this board are aware of Oracle's outbursts and know that he hardly ever means anything from them. For Joel to call out Mike like that and degrade him in his line of business on a public message board... well, let's just say that I expect more out of him. I respect BOTH of their opinions (at different times), but in this situation, I think that Joel was out of line by bringing business into the conversation. JMO.

I expected a little more from you than attacking me as being hypocritical when I AGAIN didn't start the negativity here...I ignor most negativity, but when somebody comes on here and rips into my personal life like Oracle has done on several occasions without provokement - then I am going to take up for myself the way I feel appropriate.....I won't let anybody attempt to deface me for no reason....that is my American right

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I expected a little more from you than attacking me as being hypocritical when I AGAIN didn't start the negativity here...I ignor most negativity, but when somebody comes on here and rips into my personal life like Oracle has done on several occasions without provokement - then I am going to take up for myself the way I feel appropriate.....I won't let anybody attempt to deface me for no reason....that is my American right

Joel I attacked you because you misunderstood a comment I made an then distorted it and then made up outright lies. Now look, you've had two days here to show the posts you allege I made in which i spoke bad about Sheikh Mo. You can't do it because I never made any.
Ask yourself this Joel, how would you react to me if you logged on one evening here and foundd an entire thread littered with things attributed to you(things you never said) by me? WOuld you launch at me? I'm quite sure you would.
We had been getting along just fine and even exchanging friendly bets. But your behavior towards me on Saturday was simply wrong, you lied about what I said,plain and simple. And even if it wasn't a lie on purpose and you just misunderstood what i was saying, you certainly are intellgent enough to have gone back and seen where you goofed and at least acknowledged that you misunderstood something that i said.

Jesus--will you two grow up. I swear. You two act like 2 school girls. Who cares what or who said what about who and who misinterupated something blah blah blah. Let it go or put on your make-up and pull each others hair.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Jesus--will you two grow up. I swear. You two act like 2 school girls. Who cares what or who said what about who and who misinterupated something blah blah blah. Let it go or put on your make-up and pull each others hair.

Hey euro, **** you!!! It makes a huge difference when someone accuses you of saying something pretty awful about someone that you never said.

I suppose you won't mind then if I start a thread convincing everyone that you are a molester? What Joel said about me wasn't quite that bad, but I'm sure you get the point. Bascially euro, go **** yourself.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Hey euro, **** you!!! It makes a huge difference when someone accuses you of saying something pretty awful about someone that you never said.

I suppose you won't mind then if I start a thread convincing everyone that you are a molester? What Joel said about me wasn't quite that bad, but I'm sure you get the point. Bascially euro, go **** yourself.

Lordy be....I get accused of saying stuff all the time. I have the NACCP, The EPA constantly on my butt. People saying stuff to me doesnt hurt my feelings nor does it bother me. I have a responsibility to my customers and they I know I do good work and this is why I do OK. If I worried about every little thing someone has said to me then I would spend all day in an arguement. Grow up. Your reputation or your being is that important.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Joel I attacked you because you misunderstood a comment I made an then distorted it and then made up outright lies.

NO SIR...this is where your lies begin, sir....you attacked me with this statement that was made to my Discreet Cat story that I was nice enough to post on the forum for everybody in an attempt to add some Editorial to this catboard per Steve Byk's - the owner of Derbytrail.com - request from me.....

The following statement by you in my Discreet Cat thread that I posted on Friday evening was the persoanl slander by you that started this whole mess....it was posted by you at 6:56 a.m. Saturday morning - WAAAYYY before I posted anything about you...the facts are the facts...go look for yourself and I also invite everybody else to go see the post times and the facts to see who initiated this cowardes onslaught of persoanlt attacks when I was simply trying to add some value to thsi wenbsite per the administarators with me to do so.....shame on you Mike....It appears as though you are the one who needs to fess up to your careless lies and negative behavior....

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Ummm, they already have a lotta suckups, perhaps he could be a camel tuneup guy.

By the way, your operation got their balls handed to them again when Todd Pletcher's Fleet Indian absolutely urinated on Balletto. Imagine that, a "lowly" NY bred humiliates the best that money can buy. Thats great!!!! Stick that in that your non US supporting traitorous ass why don't you buddy boy!!!!

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(The above statement was made by Oracle first thing Saturday morning to initiate personal attacks on Cunningham Racing)