Barbaro (the Champ)

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Again, dancing around the issue. My point with you is that you were criticizing people for being upset about what happened with Barbaro. You said since we didn't own him, it was "inconsequential." You instructed us all on how to live "comfortable lives." Well my life is comfortable, but there are moments of pain when something sad happens. I say that's called being human. You are doing your thing, and ignoring that. I don't know how you would describe a tragedy, but ask the Jackson's, or the owner of that dog today, they might say it was a tragedy.

1. I never criticized anyone for being upset about a horse snapping a leg ... I simply pointed out that nearly eveyone's life is a series of "upsets" ... and that particular upset was one of the less consequential ones among all the upsets someone could potentially face.

2. The loss of the dog may have indeed been a tragedy to the owner ... but it shouldn't be to someone who didn't own the dog ... or who wasn't particularly intimate with the owner.

3. Some things I'd describe as tragedies are ... 100 million innocent people being slaughtered by communist tyrants worldwide ... or 50 million innocent million people losing their lives in a war started by National Socialists and Japanese Imperialists ... or 3,000 innocent people being incinerated in their workplaces ... or learning that a loved one has cancer ... or seeing a loved one run over by a car ... or snapping a leg ... and ...

... and the Jimmy Carter administration.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

1. I never criticized anyone for being upset about a horse snapping a leg ... I simply pointed out that nearly eveyone's life is a series of "upsets" ... and that particular upset was one of the less consequential ones among all the upsets someone could potentially face.

2. The loss of the dog may have indeed been a tragedy to the owner ... but it shouldn't be to someone who didn't own the dog ... or who wasn't particularly intimate with the owner.

3. Some things I'd describe as tragedies are ... 100 million innocent people being slaughtered by communist tyrants worldwide ... or 50 million innocent million people losing their lives in a war started by National Socialists and Japanese Imperialists ... or 3,000 innocent people being incinerated in their workplaces ... or learning that a loved one has cancer ... or seeing a loved one run over by a car ... or snapping a leg ... and ...

... and the Jimmy Carter administration.

But who are you to tell others what they should or shouldnt view as a tragedy? Thats the point that you miss. Maybe their experiences and feeliings are different than yours.

I tend to see things of this nature like you do. I didnt get sad over Barbaro and i really dont miss a step when a horse gets injured at the track. I wouldnt get upset about the neighbor's dog dying. But at the same time, I try to be respectful to the people who feel diffferently.

The only thing that gets me is that people think that Barbaro should be named champion because he got injured. If the neighbor's dog was killed and he was entered in a contest before he died, should he then automatically be named best in show?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

But who are you to tell others what they should or shouldnt view as a tragedy? Thats the point that you miss. Maybe their experiences and feeliings are different than yours.

I tend to see things of this nature like you do. I didnt get sad over Barbaro and i really dont miss a step when a horse gets injured at the track. I wouldnt get upset about the neighbor's dog dying. But at the same time, I try to be respectful to the people who feel diffferently.

The only thing that gets me is that people think that Barbaro should be named champion because he got injured. If the neighbor's dog was killed and he was entered in a contest before he died, should he then automatically be named best in show?

I've never tried to tell anyone what they should or should not regard as a tragedy.

I'm only advising them that if they think that someone else's race horse snapping a leg is one of life's tragedies ... then they're in for quite a few much bigger shocks down the road.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

I've never tried to tell anyone what they should or should not regard as a tragedy.

I'm only advising them that if they think that someone else's race horse snapping a leg is one of life's tragedies ... then they're in for quite a few much bigger shocks down the road.

I'm 26, but I've still witnessed death and sickness. Cancer and heart disease has wreaked havoc on my family and a close friend has terminal cancer. I've put 3 dogs to sleep due to pain and suffering... all life tragedies. And I viewed what happened to Michael Matz, Edgar Prado etc, as a life tragedy. You know Bold... sometimes, the way that you word things can be very hurtful to others that may see things differently than you do. I apologize for making an assumption about your life. You're correct... that was wrong of me.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'm 26, but I've still witnessed death and sickness. Cancer and heart disease has wreaked havoc on my family and a close friend has terminal cancer. I've put 3 dogs to sleep due to pain and suffering... all life tragedies. And I viewed what happened to Michael Matz, Edgar Prado etc, as a life tragedy. You know Bold... sometimes, the way that you word things can be very hurtful to others that may see things differently than you do. I apologize for making an assumption about your life. You're correct... that was wrong of me.

The things you describe about your personal experiences are simply awful ... it's a wonder you've been able to keep your sanity ... although being a member of this forum sheds some doubt on that.

But how in the world could you ... with everything else that's happened in your life ... consider a rich guy's race horse snapping a leg to be one of the tragedies in your life?

I'm not saying that you don't ... it's just that I don't see it remotely comparing with everything else you've experienced.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

The things you describe about your personal experiences are simply awful ... it's a wonder you've been able to keep your sanity ... although being a member of this forum sheds some doubt on that.

But how in the world could you ... with everything else that's happened in your life ... consider a rich guy's race horse snapping a leg to be one of the tragedies in your life?

I'm not saying that you don't ... it's just that I don't see it remotely comparing with everything else you've experienced.

That's the thing though... while it may not be a life tragedy to ME, I do consider it a life tragedy for his connections. I said it was one of life's tragedies... not one of my own, but I still hold compassion for those that it affected. I'm not making much sense tonight. I think it's time for me to throw in the towel and hit the hay.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

That's the thing though... while it may not be a life tragedy to ME, I do consider it a life tragedy for his connections. I said it was one of life's tragedies... not one of my own, but I still hold compassion for those that it affected. I'm not making much sense tonight. I think it's time for me to throw in the towel and hit the hay.

Now you're saying something completely different.

We've been talking all along about people who consider Barbaro's injury to be a personal tragedy in their lives ... not the Jacksons' lives.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Jacksons though ... I think they'll be OK.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

But who are you to tell others what they should or shouldnt view as a tragedy? Thats the point that you miss. Maybe their experiences and feeliings are different than yours.

I tend to see things of this nature like you do. I didnt get sad over Barbaro and i really dont miss a step when a horse gets injured at the track. I wouldnt get upset about the neighbor's dog dying. But at the same time, I try to be respectful to the people who feel diffferently.

The only thing that gets me is that people think that Barbaro should be named champion because he got injured. If the neighbor's dog was killed and he was entered in a contest before he died, should he then automatically be named best in show?

What's up with that? Were you abused as a kid or something? How could you be so numb that it wouldn't hurt you to see an animal (or a person) suffering? I'm not normally one to talk about what is "normal", but that is definitely not normal. I think it is a normal human emotion to feel sad if we see an animal or a person in pain.

I am most bothered by people who bet on horses and care little when they are injured or die from their injuries. It is as if the animal is just there for their use. I actually know people like this. They claim not to be gamblers and have said they just "bet horses" as a way of making money. Those people are using horses for their own ends. It is a complete turnoff for me.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

1. Yes you did criticize people, you said and I am paraphrasing, that since no one except for the Jackson's owned Barbaro that being upset was inconsequential. And we should not let "inconsequential" things like a horse breaking down make us upset. Read your post gramps.

2. Don't try to determine what is or isn't a tragedy. In your old age you should realize that what may be trivial to you is serious to another, so to judge is ignorant. How can you judge what is important to people?

3. All of what you have described are tragedies, and I'm sure people are upset about them all. My point is that what may seem inconsequential to you, ie Barbaro, may be very important to someone else. This is a horse racing site, so people are going to be passionate about horses. Some have a vested interest, some have a financial, and some have an emotional. It's ignorant to try and deem one's emotional reaction to somebody or something being hurt. It's called compassion, try having some. And don't forget to take your dentures out before you go to bed.

1. You're correct in paraphrasing what I said ... but you're wrong in categorizing it as a criticism ... because it's an instruction ... an advisory ... not a criticism.

2. As I said in another post ... I've never told anyone what is a tragedy and what isn't ... just trying to get them to use their judgment to put things in proper perspective.

3. Again you're correct ... some people do see Barbaro's leg injury as a personal tragedy in their lives ... I'm just trying to prepare them for lots of bigger shocks ... which they'll almost inevitably experience. And ... despite my superannuation ... I still have all my teeth ... except for a small bridge which I've had since I lost a tooth in an accident as a teenager. Now THAT was a tragedy.