Pletcher BC positive; Hearing pending

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

Jeff Lukas almost died when he was kicked by Tabasco Cat, remember that.

Really? Todd got more credit than he probably deserved. One thing is for sure he had some good people work for him. Stewart, Bradshaw, Pletch...

I'm not saying that he didnt deserve credit but he was only the head asst for a short time. McLaughlin, hennig and bobby barnett also worked for DWL

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm not saying that he didnt deserve credit but he was only the head asst for a short time. McLaughlin, hennig and bobby barnett also worked for DWL

I guess the obvious question on inquiry minds is why the student(s) have passed the teacher? Almost everyone that worked for him is better statistically than he is when they leave...I don't think even the most challenged handicapper would wager on a Lukas horse with supreme confidence here in the present.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

I guess the obvious question on inquiry minds is why the student(s) have passed the teacher? Almost everyone that worked for him is better statistically than he is when they leave...I don't think even the most challenged handicapper would wager on a Lukas horse with supreme confidence here in the present.

Lukas lost a lot of good clients along with the assistants that left. He was also a lot more aggressive about running horses (and still is) than the younger guys who are more aware of their win percentage. I never heard Allen Jerkens or Wayne lukas say a word about win % when i worked for them. They never saw it to have any importance which it really doesnt especially to the degree that it is used as a measuring stick. win % is the white elephant in the room that no one ever seems to bring up when we talk about horses making fewer and fewer starts per year.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Lukas lost a lot of good clients along with the assistants that left. He was also a lot more aggressive about running horses (and still is) than the younger guys who are more aware of their win percentage. I never heard Allen Jerkens or Wayne lukas say a word about win % when i worked for them. They never saw it to have any importance which it really doesnt especially to the degree that it is used as a measuring stick. win % is the white elephant in the room that no one ever seems to bring up when we talk about horses making fewer and fewer starts per year.

jerry maguire?

[Linny]

Several people mentioned TAP losing clients. I know he's lost Melnyk and some of the Peachtree horses but are they making any difference? I mean do Melnyk and John Fort have any sensations that are, by their absence hurting Todd? Beside that, Todd has picked up others, including some in Cali for Zayat.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Linny

Several people mentioned TAP losing clients. I know he's lost Melnyk and some of the Peachtree horses but are they making any difference? I mean do Melnyk and John Fort have any sensations that are, by their absence hurting Todd? Beside that, Todd has picked up others, including some in Cali for Zayat.

of course losses will hurt-they add up. look at baffert. he's added owners, but in no way did they replace who he lost.
and for those who wonder why lukas ended up where he is--he started out where pletcher is right now, and continued to go down. if pletcher can't stem the tide, he'll end the same way.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

of course losses will hurt-they add up. look at baffert. he's added owners, but in no way did they replace who he lost.
and for those who wonder why lukas ended up where he is--he started out where pletcher is right now, and continued to go down. if pletcher can't stem the tide, he'll end the same way.

Lukas and Pletcher are far differnt guys and trainers. Outside of working for him and being a "corporate" type trainer pletcher and DWL dont have that many similarities.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by Danzig

of course losses will hurt-they add up. look at baffert. he's added owners, but in no way did they replace who he lost.
and for those who wonder why lukas ended up where he is--he started out where pletcher is right now, and continued to go down. if pletcher can't stem the tide, he'll end the same way.

My point is that its not like Melnyk and Peachtree (to use two examples) are winning races in bunches. Tehy didn't take any monsters away from TAP.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Linny

Several people mentioned TAP losing clients. I know he's lost Melnyk and some of the Peachtree horses but are they making any difference? I mean do Melnyk and John Fort have any sensations that are, by their absence hurting Todd? Beside that, Todd has picked up others, including some in Cali for Zayat.

He has also been hurt by Coolmores lack of spending in the american markets recently (the green Monkey aside). Maybe those guys dont have any stars but they gave him lots of quality horses that add up to wins and money on the big league circuit.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

jerry maguire?

Paul