Barbaro (the Champ)

Originally Posted by somerfrost

There was no point to this post but to rub salt into a great many wounds! This is classless no matter how you spin it! Coach is absolutely correct to call you on it...I call you on it also! My reading comprehension is pretty good...Foolish Pleasure "beat" Ruffian in the same way, don't see many folks bringing that up over the years!

Foolish Pleasure defeated Ruffian by considerably less than a mile ... the only loss on her otherwise splendid record ...

... while Bernardini defeated Barbaro by about a mile ... more or less depending on exactly how it's measured.

You may not like it ... but those are the facts.

It's acceptable to attack a person's opinions or beliefs ... but there's no place for attacks on anyone's character on this forum ... especially for simply reporting indisputable facts.

Shame on you ... and your buddy.

[sumitas]

and Foolish Pleasure did not beat Ruffian. she was a dnf and it was a no contest, She retired undefeated.

Originally Posted by sumitas

and Foolish Pleasure did not beat Ruffian. she was a dnf and it was a no contest, She retired undefeated.

Please tell that to the American Racing Manual and the Daily Racing Form ...

... they've been reporting that Ruffian was 10 for 11.

[packerbacker7964]

If Dini beats older horses then he's the Champ in my eyes. So ole Barb ran some good races ok but Dini hasn't even been challanged in his last 3 or 4. Just because you win the Yum's Brand Derby doesn't mean you get the 3 year old HOY.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Please tell that to the American Racing Manual and the Daily Racing Form ...

... they've been reporting that Ruffian was 10 for 11.

They are wrong, she was 10 for 10 in races she finished.

[dalakhani]

If Bernardini wins one of the big fall races, 3 yo honors should undoubtedly be his. How can anyone argue that?

Barbaro was an excellent horse but we arent talking could haves or should haves we are talking about "dids" when we are naming a champion. Bernardini, in my humble opinion may have already done more without beating older horses.

[sumitas]

i am also talking about Bobby's will to live off the track. That, plus his on track performance deserves my support as #1.

Originally Posted by sumitas

They are wrong, she was 10 for 10 in races she finished.

If you say so ...

.. but please don't tell that to our fellow forum member ... Phalaris1913 ... because she's the editor of the American Racing Manual ...

... and she may be embarrassed to find out that she's been wrong all these years.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

But, seriously as a man as old as you are should know, sometimes attempting to be clever and humorous just isn't worth it if it means possibly upsetting others.

And I'm also old enough to know that there's nothing unusual or particularly overwhelming about being "upset" ...

... it's something that happens nearly all the time to nearly everyone ... and is particularly of less consequence when it's the result of someone else's horse snapping a leg ...

... so the more everyone gets used to experiencing inconsequential upsetedness ... and not letting it upset them ... the more comfortable their lives will be.

[Danzig]

[quote=Bold Brooklynite] ... and is particularly of less consequence when it's the result of someone else's horse snapping a leg ...QUOTE]


what a disgusting comment. butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

what a disgusting comment. butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.

What's disgusting about believing that it's not one of "life's tragedies" ... when someone else's race horse snaps a leg?

Thoroughbred horses are very fragile animals ... and are susceptible to serious leg injuries at any given time. Do you seriously believe that it's one of "life's tragedies" when it happens?

[sumitas]

my cat came home with a competely broken leg. it was my duty to have it mended by the vet. he did and Allie is having a ball. and now he stays inside.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Being upset about lifes tradgedies is what makes us human beings.

If you consider someone else's race horse snapping a leg to be one of "life's tragedies" ...

... then you've had a very charmed and/or sheltered life.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

First you know nothing about what my life is or has been like so don't go there. I have not led a charmed or sheltered life, I have had to work my a$$ off for anything I've gotten. Way to not address my point though, and I am not sure how to rate what happened to Barbaro but it was pretty bad. It has obviously gotten better, but it could still take a turn for the worse. I wasn't refering to what happened in the Preakness as one of life's tragedies, but it was pretty bad. I was making the point that while I didn't have a direct connection to barbaro like owning him, it was sad to see it happen. A dog was run over by a car on my block today, I didn't own the dog, but it was sad and upsetting seeing the owners standing over him. Got my point?

Sure ... it's sad to see someone else's horse break a leg ... or someone else's dog run over by a car. But neither is a tragedy ...

... nor is working very hard to get what you desire ... in fact ... working hard to achieve your goals can be very satisfying.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Again, dancing around the issue. My point with you is that you were criticizing people for being upset about what happened with Barbaro. You said since we didn't own him, it was "inconsequential." You instructed us all on how to live "comfortable lives." Well my life is comfortable, but there are moments of pain when something sad happens. I say that's called being human. You are doing your thing, and ignoring that. I don't know how you would describe a tragedy, but ask the Jackson's, or the owner of that dog today, they might say it was a tragedy.

1. I never criticized anyone for being upset about a horse snapping a leg ... I simply pointed out that nearly eveyone's life is a series of "upsets" ... and that particular upset was one of the less consequential ones among all the upsets someone could potentially face.

2. The loss of the dog may have indeed been a tragedy to the owner ... but it shouldn't be to someone who didn't own the dog ... or who wasn't particularly intimate with the owner.

3. Some things I'd describe as tragedies are ... 100 million innocent people being slaughtered by communist tyrants worldwide ... or 50 million innocent million people losing their lives in a war started by National Socialists and Japanese Imperialists ... or 3,000 innocent people being incinerated in their workplaces ... or learning that a loved one has cancer ... or seeing a loved one run over by a car ... or snapping a leg ... and ...

... and the Jimmy Carter administration.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

1. I never criticized anyone for being upset about a horse snapping a leg ... I simply pointed out that nearly eveyone's life is a series of "upsets" ... and that particular upset was one of the less consequential ones among all the upsets someone could potentially face.

2. The loss of the dog may have indeed been a tragedy to the owner ... but it shouldn't be to someone who didn't own the dog ... or who wasn't particularly intimate with the owner.

3. Some things I'd describe as tragedies are ... 100 million innocent people being slaughtered by communist tyrants worldwide ... or 50 million innocent million people losing their lives in a war started by National Socialists and Japanese Imperialists ... or 3,000 innocent people being incinerated in their workplaces ... or learning that a loved one has cancer ... or seeing a loved one run over by a car ... or snapping a leg ... and ...

... and the Jimmy Carter administration.

But who are you to tell others what they should or shouldnt view as a tragedy? Thats the point that you miss. Maybe their experiences and feeliings are different than yours.

I tend to see things of this nature like you do. I didnt get sad over Barbaro and i really dont miss a step when a horse gets injured at the track. I wouldnt get upset about the neighbor's dog dying. But at the same time, I try to be respectful to the people who feel diffferently.

The only thing that gets me is that people think that Barbaro should be named champion because he got injured. If the neighbor's dog was killed and he was entered in a contest before he died, should he then automatically be named best in show?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

But who are you to tell others what they should or shouldnt view as a tragedy? Thats the point that you miss. Maybe their experiences and feeliings are different than yours.

I tend to see things of this nature like you do. I didnt get sad over Barbaro and i really dont miss a step when a horse gets injured at the track. I wouldnt get upset about the neighbor's dog dying. But at the same time, I try to be respectful to the people who feel diffferently.

The only thing that gets me is that people think that Barbaro should be named champion because he got injured. If the neighbor's dog was killed and he was entered in a contest before he died, should he then automatically be named best in show?

I've never tried to tell anyone what they should or should not regard as a tragedy.

I'm only advising them that if they think that someone else's race horse snapping a leg is one of life's tragedies ... then they're in for quite a few much bigger shocks down the road.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

But who are you to tell others what they should or shouldnt view as a tragedy? Thats the point that you miss. Maybe their experiences and feeliings are different than yours.

I tend to see things of this nature like you do. I didnt get sad over Barbaro and i really dont miss a step when a horse gets injured at the track. I wouldnt get upset about the neighbor's dog dying. But at the same time, I try to be respectful to the people who feel diffferently.

The only thing that gets me is that people think that Barbaro should be named champion because he got injured. If the neighbor's dog was killed and he was entered in a contest before he died, should he then automatically be named best in show?

What's up with that? Were you abused as a kid or something? How could you be so numb that it wouldn't hurt you to see an animal (or a person) suffering? I'm not normally one to talk about what is "normal", but that is definitely not normal. I think it is a normal human emotion to feel sad if we see an animal or a person in pain.

I am most bothered by people who bet on horses and care little when they are injured or die from their injuries. It is as if the animal is just there for their use. I actually know people like this. They claim not to be gamblers and have said they just "bet horses" as a way of making money. Those people are using horses for their own ends. It is a complete turnoff for me.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

1. Yes you did criticize people, you said and I am paraphrasing, that since no one except for the Jackson's owned Barbaro that being upset was inconsequential. And we should not let "inconsequential" things like a horse breaking down make us upset. Read your post gramps.

2. Don't try to determine what is or isn't a tragedy. In your old age you should realize that what may be trivial to you is serious to another, so to judge is ignorant. How can you judge what is important to people?

3. All of what you have described are tragedies, and I'm sure people are upset about them all. My point is that what may seem inconsequential to you, ie Barbaro, may be very important to someone else. This is a horse racing site, so people are going to be passionate about horses. Some have a vested interest, some have a financial, and some have an emotional. It's ignorant to try and deem one's emotional reaction to somebody or something being hurt. It's called compassion, try having some. And don't forget to take your dentures out before you go to bed.

1. You're correct in paraphrasing what I said ... but you're wrong in categorizing it as a criticism ... because it's an instruction ... an advisory ... not a criticism.

2. As I said in another post ... I've never told anyone what is a tragedy and what isn't ... just trying to get them to use their judgment to put things in proper perspective.

3. Again you're correct ... some people do see Barbaro's leg injury as a personal tragedy in their lives ... I'm just trying to prepare them for lots of bigger shocks ... which they'll almost inevitably experience. And ... despite my superannuation ... I still have all my teeth ... except for a small bridge which I've had since I lost a tooth in an accident as a teenager. Now THAT was a tragedy.