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08-27-2006, 05:47 PM
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08-27-2006, 05:51 PM
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You obviously don't know anything about it, yet you made the statement. A lot of champions do come from that part of the world, Joel. They just stay there and run as champions. Do you honestly think that a race horse must come to America to be a champion?
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08-27-2006, 05:58 PM
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Name two Australian champions that are household names....you cannot...I think that good mare Sunspot (or something) may have been from there but she always cryushed the biys in the Melbourne Cup because it was a ****ty race.... Oh, and I am not pretending to understnd Australian racing other knowing they are small players in the grand picture of our industry - hence the comparison to New Jersey or louisiana programs - or any small programs...
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08-27-2006, 06:09 PM
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Makybe Diva and Phar Lap Or maybe Sunline and Might and Power Zabeel and Strawberry Road. In the picture of "our" industry they might be small players. And the reason for that is that they have "their" industry that they really don't need to compare to ours. The Australians don't need to come up here and run for our purse money...ever. They have plenty of their own.
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08-28-2006, 08:11 AM
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I'll put it to yoiu in a big picture to understand what I mean....If Australia was crushed by an enormous earthquake/tsunami and wiped off the entire continent and killed every Thoroughbred that existed there --- the Throughbred horse racing industry would NOT be impacted significantly....get it? Now, if North America or Europe were wiped out, it would cripple the industry....Would you not agree? ...Let me know if you want to take horse racing 201 next....
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08-28-2006, 08:15 AM
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08-28-2006, 10:40 AM
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Every horse I mentioned is a champion, and if you don't care to research who they beat, what they won, and how they did it rather than just discounting them because they didn't run in America then that is your choice. I'm definitely not trying to convince you of anything. It isn't much of a debatable point. The Melbourne Cup and incidentally the Flemington Spring Carnival coincide with our Breeders Cup. The Melbourne Cup is usually the first Tuesday after the Breeders Cup day. Contrary to popular belief, a Breeders Cup race to Australians definitely isn't a bigger race to win than The Melbourne Cup. Elvstroem went to Dubai and won two years ago in the Duty Free, Takeover Target and Choisir won Group One sprints at Royal Ascot in the last few years, and they do consistently go to Japan and Hong Kong and run competitively. Hong Kong racing is made up of former Australian and Kiwi gallopers who change their names. There was one formerly named Eltira that did pretty good for quite a while (Silent Witness) There will be European, Asian, and Arab-owned horses contesting the Melbourne Cup, Cox Plate, and Caufield Cup this year, they always do. If you were Australian, wouldn't you rather win a Cox Plate, or a Caulfield or Melbourne Cup than a Breeders Cup? I'm not sure why you have taken this attitude with me, because I assure you that I won't be taking any lessons from you. And I can also guarantee that you wouldn't be popping off your mouth if we weren't on this gay-ass message board and face to face. Your true ****-ish attitude has shown through Joel, and you have quit debating topics and are now just acting like a spoiled kid.
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08-28-2006, 10:51 AM
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Cajun, word. You a wise girl.
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08-28-2006, 02:02 PM
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You are trying to justify there importance like justifying that the Italian basketball league has any improtance in the world on the grand scle of professional basketball.....it just doesn't...sorry man.. Oh, ad Sumline won the Cox's Plate sveral consecutive years not the MElbourne Cup...got one insignifgicant race mixed up with another.... It still doesn't change the fact that ytou screwed up by thinking we were argueing Danzig's value as a sire instead his value as a sire oif sires......nice try.. Oh, ad I would tell you every word of this to your face as I am typing it on this keypad because it is what I believe is to be true.... BTW, none of those "Australian Greats" impacted the sport around the world.....Northern Dancer, Raise a Native, Storm Cat...those are a few horses that have impacted the sport around the world - including Australia - but Astralia has never impacted anything truly relavent outside of its racing circles - a racing circle that is inferior to most racing markets.... They actually brought in 3-4 guys from Australia to try to talk Graham Motion into bringing Bette Talk Now to the Melbourne Cup because the thought that it would be one of the greatest coups for their racing product....If that phony turf horse would be a sesation in Australia - that speaks volumes to how poor racing is there..... Have a nice day 
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08-27-2006, 06:14 PM
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08-27-2006, 06:17 PM
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probably talking about 'the mare' makybe diva, who won three years in a row. she also won the cox plate. that girl was incredible.
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08-27-2006, 06:19 PM
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The reason that American buyers don't go buy Australian horses and bring them here isn't because they are not as good as most other parts of the world. You really think South American and European horses are just better than Australian ones, and that is the reason you see a lot of them here? I'm glad you have the assurance of having this figured out, but when you stumble across the real reason, feel free to come back on and explain it to everyone in an editorial.
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08-28-2006, 08:15 AM
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You are wrong...admitting this and just stopping would be the best move...you'll never show that you know as much or more than me relative to this industry....nice try though
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08-28-2006, 08:17 AM
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exactly why I don't listen to ATRAB anymore when you're on.
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08-28-2006, 08:19 AM
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Since this thread is mostly off topic stuff that I don't want to read, I am going to ask this.
Did anyone see the St. Louis Derby? If so how did Lawyer Ron look?
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08-28-2006, 01:59 PM
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You missed Elvstroem's win in the Dubai Duty Free?
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08-28-2006, 02:04 PM
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08-28-2006, 02:13 PM
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... I guess that's why South American horses never race here either ... ... it's that old southern hemisphere time thing. What a ditz.
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08-28-2006, 03:22 PM
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Hey, I finally got it! BB and his cohort have been pulling our collective chains! Very good, we have been properly 'got.'
Making bizarre statements that I have to spend time finding the data to refute, then claiming what they said was something else. Like typing 'X was a horrible sire' and then when I show evidence that this is not so, maintaining that I should have read words that weren't there, ie. 'X was a horrible sire [of sires].' Tossing out gratuitous insults based on what somebody else posted. Then that marvelously Neanderthal statement (I paraphrase) "I don't know nothin' 'bout Australian racing except that it's gotta be lousy 'cause I don't know nothin' 'bout it." Priceless! My, but that got a rise out us! I had a big brother like you fellows and I always took the bait; it seems I haven't learned from the experience. You must be quite amused that we actually thought you meant all those absurd things you wrote. Well done. Last edited by Pedigree Ann : 08-28-2006 at 03:30 PM.
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08-27-2006, 07:23 PM
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You did notice when Elvstroem won the Dubai Duty Free a year or so ago? Or when the third or fourth best sprinter in Australia, Choisir, went to Royal Ascot and won a G1? Australia/New Zealand is where most of the horses who race in Hong Kong are bred, including Silent Witness. Australian horses run without any drugs and any horse that bleeds after a race is banned from racing after the second occurence. They run on hard, dry turf and wet, soggy turf, left and right handed and down straights, in front of crowds that make ours look pathetic. Racehorses actually race full campaigns and are national heros there, unlike in this country. I realize that the learned gentleman is not about to let a few facts make a dent in his parochial prejudices. But others who read this board may be interested in investigating the racing in a country where the sport still has the status and visibility that it had in this country 60 years ago. Last edited by Pedigree Ann : 08-27-2006 at 07:25 PM.
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