BCS

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Texas logic is that they lost to Tech on Tech's home field on the last play.
(after a freshman dropped a lollypop interception to seal the game) and beat Oklahoma cleanly on a neutral field. Tech barely sneaking by Baylor sealed their coffin. Any team that gets beat as bad as Tech did... They are just not that good. They got Texas on a very bad game and barely won.

Unlike most Texas fans, it does not bother me that Oklahoma went over us. You play your best and live with the results. We know the system has its drawbacks. No use to continually beating your head against a wall.

The one thing I can make sense of is that out of those 3 Big 12 teams, Tech is cearly the NOT the best. Good teams dont get 65 or whatever points put up on them. Tech away from Lubbock can lose to any decent team.

I think the King's scenario seems correct. Except I think Ohio St. has a good chance to replace Boise. Ohio St. has a huge following. And it does matter.

my quaint attempts at humor again for naught!

with regard to your bolded portion...at what limit do you draw the points allowed to be a good team limit?? Obviously good teams can give up 45 in your opinion...or 41...but not 65?? What is the magic value where a team becomes not good?? 47?? or can you give up 90 as long as you win??

I was attempting to be funny as I clearly don't think Texas Tech is the best team in the big 12 south...but I found great humor in the Texas and Oklahoma people's attempt at justification. In the end they were clearly making circular arguments is all I was saying. When 3 teams all beat each other, that makes any attempt at justification to clearly make one of those teams the best...circular in nature. Just as anyone can make the claim for Texas and Oklahoma, I thought I'd do the same for Tech as noone else did.

In my opinion, of all the one loss teams, Florida is the least deserving of a spot in the title game. They are the only one who lost at home. All the others lost on the road or at neutral fields. I hope they lose to Alabama.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

my quaint attempts at humor again for naught!

with regard to your bolded portion...at what limit do you draw the points allowed to be a good team limit?? Obviously good teams can give up 45 in your opinion...or 41...but not 65?? What is the magic value where a team becomes not good?? 47?? or can you give up 90 as long as you win??

I was attempting to be funny as I clearly don't think Texas Tech is the best team in the big 12 south...but I found great humor in the Texas and Oklahoma people's attempt at justification. In the end they were clearly making circular arguments is all I was saying. When 3 teams all beat each other, that makes any attempt at justification to clearly make one of those teams the best...circular in nature. Just as anyone can make the claim for Texas and Oklahoma, I thought I'd do the same for Tech as noone else did.

In my opinion, of all the one loss teams, Florida is the least deserving of a spot in the title game. They are the only one who lost at home. All the others lost on the road or at neutral fields. I hope they lose to Alabama.

!!!!OOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

my quaint attempts at humor again for naught!

with regard to your bolded portion...at what limit do you draw the points allowed to be a good team limit?? Obviously good teams can give up 45 in your opinion...or 41...but not 65?? What is the magic value where a team becomes not good?? 47?? or can you give up 90 as long as you win??

I was attempting to be funny as I clearly don't think Texas Tech is the best team in the big 12 south...but I found great humor in the Texas and Oklahoma people's attempt at justification. In the end they were clearly making circular arguments is all I was saying. When 3 teams all beat each other, that makes any attempt at justification to clearly make one of those teams the best...circular in nature. Just as anyone can make the claim for Texas and Oklahoma, I thought I'd do the same for Tech as noone else did.

In my opinion, of all the one loss teams, Florida is the least deserving of a spot in the title game. They are the only one who lost at home. All the others lost on the road or at neutral fields. I hope they lose to Alabama.

I agree with the talk about Texas Tech. No, I don't think they are as good as Oklahoma and yes, it did take a near miracle for them to beat Texas......but they DID beat Texas. Even if that guy would have intercepted that pass a couple of plays before or if the db could have deflected that last td pass and Texas would have held on, the fact that Tech would have still been in the game until the final plays shows they weren't outclassed on the day. Since those things DIDN'T happen and Tech DID win the game, they deserve to be in the conversation. The Texas coaches have the weakest argument of all when continuously trying to bring up the head-to-head since using that tiebreaker, they lose out to Tech. It would have been hilarious if Oklahoma had lost to Ok St and the tiebreaker had come down to h-2-h because then Tech would be in the conference title game and all the Texas talk about how they deserve it over Oklahoma would have been moot.

[Mortimer]

Philski..I might add I do hate Nosiy because of the blue field and blue home uniforms.



Like it's a coincidence.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

with regard to your bolded portion...at what limit do you draw the points allowed to be a good team limit?? Obviously good teams can give up 45 in your opinion...or 41...but not 65?? What is the magic value where a team becomes not good?? 47?? or can you give up 90 as long as you win??

Florida is the least deserving of a spot in the title game. They are the only one who lost at home. All the others lost on the road or at neutral fields. I hope they lose to Alabama.

OK.
I will make it easier.
When a team allows another team to score at will, every time they get the ball, they are not a good team. Texas Tech is awful away from home.

Last point is a very good one that has not been brought up often enough.

I have this little itch that keeps telling me we are going to play
Ohio St. in the Fiesta Bowl. I like this. Huge crowd. And we get
the chance to go 1 up on Ohio St.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by pgardn

OK.
I will make it easier.
When a team allows another team to score at will, every time they get the ball, they are not a good team. Texas Tech is awful away from home.

Last point is a very good one that has not been brought up often enough.

I find the whole thing silly. Seriously of the 3, Texas should be in the championship game. When both teams are as good as they are, head to head should be it...if those were the two considered. Yeah, if Texas beat Oklahoma but lost 4 other games, sure...you can say Oklahoma is better. I don't think Oklahoma has a good enough defense to beat Florida or Alabama. Stoops has not been stellar in last games in bowls after that first win over Florida State. Oklahoma deserves just as much flak as Ohio State if not more for some of their performances in BCS games. Stoops is 2-4 in BCS games losing 4 straight now...by 20 to WEst Virginia last year...the Boise State symphony...by 36 to USC, and to LSU. Ohio State has NOT lost 4 straight BCS games.

[Mortimer]

Good stuff,HOCy.

I agree with it all (Ohio is 4-2 in bcs games---by the way) but anyone from the Defenseless League is going to get hammered in the nc game.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Good stuff,HOCy.

I agree with it all (Ohio is 4-2 in bcs games---by the way) but anyone from the Defenseless League is going to get hammered in the nc game.

MORTY!!!

Burning the midnight oil last night? If you're still sick, get some rest!

[King Glorious]

The whole thing was silly with Texas' argument. Some people say that it should have come down to a Tex/Oklahoma debate because the way Tech was beaten should have knocked them out of it but if Oklahoma loses to Oklahoma St., Texas STILL doesn't go because they lost to Tech. Everyone knew going into the final weekend that it was likely going to be either Oklahoma or Tech in the conference title game. Texas had a very slim chance. I just think it's incredibly stupid to trumpet the head to head results when you lose that same tiebreaker to another team with the same record.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The whole thing was silly with Texas' argument. Some people say that it should have come down to a Tex/Oklahoma debate because the way Tech was beaten should have knocked them out of it but if Oklahoma loses to Oklahoma St., Texas STILL doesn't go because they lost to Tech. Everyone knew going into the final weekend that it was likely going to be either Oklahoma or Tech in the conference title game. Texas had a very slim chance. I just think it's incredibly stupid to trumpet the head to head results when you lose that same tiebreaker to another team with the same record.

Under the rules of every other league with a conference championship and the old rules in the big 12, texas would have been in the conference championship.