Lawyer Ron returns in St. Louis Derby

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

List 5 improtant horses that Chief's Crown sired...I doubt you could even list that many....I'm telling you that danzig blood on the paternal side really isn't that great relative to how good of racehorses they were and the mares they got, etc.....I love Danzig as much as the next person, but he just has been very average as a sire of sires.....I like him on the broodmare side, though

I was there in person for two of Danzig's three races ... the second time specifically to see him run.

Despite his own unsoundness ... he sired some very good race horses ... but you're right ... his line seems to not be breeding on ... although such things can be reversed quite suddenly. Antonius Pius and Survivalist may become the greatest stallions in the world.

The final chapter won't be written for another twenty years.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

I was there in person for two of Danzig's three races ... the second time specifically to see him run.

Despite his own unsoundness ... he sired some very good race horses ... but you're right ... his line seems to not be breeding on ... although such things can be reversed quite suddenly. Antonius Pius and Survivalist may become the greatest stallions in the world.

The final chapter won't be written for another twenty years.

Are you guys serious? Danzig's male line is the Absolute top of the heap in Australasia right now. Danehill's sons are running the board over there. And some Danehills are doing fine in Europe, like Danehill Dancer (who had a G1 winner this morning in Ireland) and Tiger Hill in Germany, not to mention Desert King who sired Makybe Diva (3 Melbourne Cups). Sinndar has had group winners with his oldest only 4, Polish Precedent has sired Pilsudski (BC Turf among other G1 wins) and Rakti (Champion S, etc) and Polish Summer (Sheema Classic). . Lure was subfertile but he left G1 winner Orpen, who is sired a classic winner in his first crop. Bellamy Road will represent him over here, although his dad Concerto is still with us as well. This is not a struggling male line.

[Danzig]

danehill is the sire of rock of gibraltar, as well as cacique, banks hill, dansili, elvstroem, intercontinental, landseer, oratorio....countless others who have earned 6 figures, many millionaires.
as a shuttle stallion danehill has influenced racing from europe to hong kong, from australia to here in the u.s.
langfuhr sired wando and mobil....the influence of northern dancer thru sadlers wells and danehill thru danzig is worldwide, and will remain so thru the sons and daughters of those stallions.

danzig is the top stakes sire in north america by far. sadlers wells, also by northern dancer, is the top in europe. danehill, by danzig completed the triumvirate in australasia.

i'm not sure how much more danzig can do then what he's done....

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Are you guys serious? Danzig's male line is the Absolute top of the heap in Australasia right now. Danehill's sons are running the board over there. And some Danehills are doing fine in Europe, like Danehill Dancer (who had a G1 winner this morning in Ireland) and Tiger Hill in Germany, not to mention Desert King who sired Makybe Diva (3 Melbourne Cups). Sinndar has had group winners with his oldest only 4, Polish Precedent has sired Pilsudski (BC Turf among other G1 wins) and Rakti (Champion S, etc) and Polish Summer (Sheema Classic). . Lure was subfertile but he left G1 winner Orpen, who is sired a classic winner in his first crop. Bellamy Road will represent him over here, although his dad Concerto is still with us as well. This is not a struggling male line.

Yes, we know....Danehill is the lone bright spot.....and that is Australia dude, which is like breeding New Jersey breds....

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yes, we know....Danehill is the lone bright spot.....and that is Australia dude, which is like breeding New Jersey breds....

Wow, you are showing your vast knowledge here Joel.

Let's hear your dissertation on Australian racing and breeding.

Originally Posted by moodwalker

Wow, you are showing your vast knowledge here Joel.

Let's hear your dissertation on Australian racing and breeding.

Yeah, alot of champions come from that part of the world, mood...

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yeah, alot of champions come from that part of the world, mood...

No, I want to really hear your professional opinion of why the Australian breeding industry is similar to New Jersey's.

You obviously don't know anything about it, yet you made the statement.

A lot of champions do come from that part of the world, Joel. They just stay there and run as champions.

Do you honestly think that a race horse must come to America to be a champion?

Originally Posted by moodwalker

No, I want to really hear your professional opinion of why the Australian breeding industry is similar to New Jersey's.

You obviously don't know anything about it, yet you made the statement.

A lot of champions do come from that part of the world, Joel. They just stay there and run as champions.

Do you honestly think that a race horse must come to America to be a champion?

The how come AMerican buyers do ot go buy there horses and bring then here like they do in Brazil, Chile and different countries in Europe?...I'll tell you why - because they are not as good as most other parts of the world, that is why....

Name two Australian champions that are household names....you cannot...I think that good mare Sunspot (or something) may have been from there but she always cryushed the biys in the Melbourne Cup because it was a ****ty race....

Oh, and I am not pretending to understnd Australian racing other knowing they are small players in the grand picture of our industry - hence the comparison to New Jersey or louisiana programs - or any small programs...

I'm still waiting for him to produce the post where he claims that I called Sheikh Mo a terrorist. Hes a liar, plain and simple. I deleted or edited nothing, and the administrators here certainly will be able to determine this. He got emotional, misinterpreted something that i said, then made up outright lies. I really expected more out of him than that. I also expected him to go back and take a look and see that he was wrong. Apparently it would dishonor him too much to do so.
Word of advice while writing for the new gig, don't put words in people's mouths and lie about what they said. Most guys won't give you a second interview if you do so.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I really expected more out of him than that.

Bwahahahahaa..

Now this is truly the funniest thing I have ever heard on this thread....this is the quote of the century from you...absolutely the greatest

Your a legend on this chatboard...i wonder sometimes if i come to derbytrail to read about denates and horse topics sometimes - or if i come for a laugh of reading your horse **** ....you are only fooling yourself with this comment....this is like Mike Tyson saying that he is disappointed when the tuna companies kill whales.....HI-LARIOUS, Oracle!

Keep the fun coming...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Bwahahahahaa..

Now this is truly the funniest thing I have ever heard on this thread....this is the quote of the century from you...absolutely the greatest

Your a legend on this chatboard...i wonder sometimes if i come to derbytrail to read about denates and horse topics sometimes - or if i come for a laugh of reading your horse **** ....you are only fooling yourself with this comment....this is like Mike Tyson saying that he is disappointed when the tuna companies kill whales.....HI-LARIOUS, Oracle!

Keep the fun coming...

Ok so produce teh alleged quote or quotes then. It should be a breeze. What you are doing is attempting to draw attention away from the fact that you lied.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yes, we know....Danehill is the lone bright spot.....and that is Australia dude, which is like breeding New Jersey breds....

danehill isn't limited to australia anyway. he shuttled every year til his last couple at stud.
look at the international sires list for 2005 for example. he's third, behind sunday silence and brians time...most stakes winners in europe that year.
fourth in '04 and second in '03.

the one bright spot? langfuhr finished the year last year as #12 in the sire list here..ahead of the likes of unbridleds song, kingmambo and his 300k stud fee..ahead of pulpit, awesome again, fupeg and hennessy to name a few.

was #15 in '04....belong to me #23...ahead of gone west and pulpit....

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Are you guys serious? Danzig's male line is the Absolute top of the heap in Australasia right now.

Yeah ... but how are they doing in Mongolia and Belarus?

Nobody cares about Australasia, honey ... not even the Australasians.

Stick to cutting and pasting ... and stop insulting everyone else's intelligence with your fatuousness.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Antonius Pius and Survivalist may become the greatest stallions in the world.

The final chapter won't be written for another twenty years.

Yeah, maybe, but unlikely...Antonius Pius is a freakin lunatic and Survalist is a Grade 3 type but he could pan out in a smaller market like New York in the breeding shed.....Danehill is carving out a phenomial legacy but that is about it if you ask me...Langfuhr and Belong to Me are solid for $15K - $20K stud fee but thats it....War Chnt is a bust if you ask me...he got way too many good mares to not have any super racehorses IMO....

Hey, I think Danzig'z grandson Rock of Gibraltar has a solid chance to do something though....we'll see...