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08-27-2006, 12:43 PM
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I just can't see how barabro would be the 3-y0 champ over Beranrdini...i just can't...it would be a political and emotion-influenced travesty IMO...
But then again, I've seen a few bad Eclipse votings...i musdt admit that the voters (and i know MANY of them) in this industry..alot of them are not half-qualified to vote.....too many people with little knowledge of this industry have votes and it is not right...i'll leave it at that... just like when Declan's moon beat out Afleet Alex as Champ 2-yo a few years ago when never leaving Cali. or running in the BC while Alex carrered his game to all the big dances and won multiple important stakes and never dodged anyone while runnig well everytime with some bad luck when he lost.....stupdi West coast propaganda gave it to Declan's moon - who is now showing that he is a real rat while Afleet Alex was a true champion race horse.... 
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08-27-2006, 12:52 PM
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Bellamy Road...no offense, but you are really biased, and I believe that you have let your emotions overtake your sense of judgement. I love Barbaro just as much as anyone, and realize that his accomplishments earlier in the year were nothing short of amazing. However, Bernardini has won two huge races while utterly annihilating his competition while running stellar times. He very well may win both the JCGC and BCC. In fact, I'm looking for great showings in both. I really believe that this horse is a superhorse. We also still have Discreet Cat who looks to also be a complete monster. His comback debut was phenomenal. I can almost guarantee that Barbaro will not win the Eclipse award nor, at this point, do I believe that he should. Bernardini has clearly established himself as the next coming. I am going out on a limb, but I think that he is the best horse since Spectacular Bid.
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08-27-2006, 12:56 PM
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See I feel the opposite...it sounds to me like YOU ae the one who is emotional in remembering what you have seen recently, and equating that with being better than what's taken place in the past...it's for the year of 2006, not the past month in which Bernardini has "demolished" horses soon to be in the claiming ranks
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08-27-2006, 01:12 PM
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Bernardini has won two Grade I's and Barbaro has won two Grade I's. They both have beaten very good horses in SNS, BD, and BGC. However, I truely believe that Bernardini is more talented on dirt than Barbaro was based on his final times and stellar perfomances. Barbaro beat BGC by six lengths. Bernardini beat the improved BGC by seven and a half lenghts. They are probably actually pretty equal right now in terms of voting. Also, if I remembered the races that I had seen lately and had been biased in that respect, then why wasn't I high on BGC to win the Travers after his brillant Haskell performance like some were? Why did I stick with Bernardini?
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08-27-2006, 01:29 PM
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Jessica...times at different tracks and beaten lengths dont mean anything. That beaten lengths of bluegrass cat is the most asinine thing I've ever heard in my life. I'm not trying to be mean, I attribute that to Jerry Bailey, and not you. I am respectful of Bernardini and your stance on his merits. However, there is nothing you can say at this time to convince me he is better, or has had a better year than Barbaro.
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08-27-2006, 12:52 PM
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I'll give you it's subjective, and there have been some awful decisions, I just don't think a Barbaro victory would be one of them...I'm not sure how many voters there are, or who they are, but if they remain objective and don't get suckered into this media malestrom that is Bernardini, we'd get our true champion in Barbaro...now if Bernardini does win the BCC, I'll give...my statements on the horse are neither political (as I don't care who owns the horses) nor emotional (as I think Barbaro has flat out the better justification for winning the award).
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08-27-2006, 01:40 PM
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I always felt Alex was SO totally ripped off. At least I don't feel anyone will be here. I'm thinking we are fortunate to have had two such exciting horses in one year.
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08-27-2006, 01:45 PM
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08-27-2006, 10:41 PM
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Barbaro $2,203,200 Bernardini $1,610,480
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08-27-2006, 11:08 PM
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08-28-2006, 06:52 AM
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yeah, i went to ntra myself yesterday and took note of $ won.... to THIS point, bernardini hasn't done anything more than what barbaro has done...it's just later in the year. also, take note that barbaro beat four times as many horses @ the 10f distance--FOUR months ago! at this point, it's a toss-up. bernardini must win over older, it would be the only thing that would separate him from barbaro. also, everyone keep in mind that altho bernardinis margin was the largest since general assembly in '79, barbaro's margin of victory was the largest in 60 years.
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08-28-2006, 07:41 AM
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That's a great post, and point Danzig. If I may add, it was never my intention to say Barbaro should get the award out of any kind of sympathy vote. I'm sorry someone tried to corrupt that. But it was my intent to illustrate Barbaro STILL has done more "on track" than Bernardini to this point and it's just wrong-my opinion, I suppose-to think Bernardini deserves the award if voted on now. I don't think anyone one is disputing if Bernardini beats older horses he wouldn't get the award. In fact, if he does and they gave him HOY and Barbaro 3-y/o champ that would almost seem to be correct in many ways.
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08-28-2006, 07:48 AM
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08-28-2006, 07:54 AM
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It's like the old Johnny Carson skit ..."Karnac" maybe it was...some people know the answers before the question is even asked.
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08-28-2006, 12:09 PM
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What I don't get is why Bernardini HAS to not only face but also BEAT older horses in order to be deserving.......but Barbaro didn't even have to face older. Doesn't make sense to me.
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08-28-2006, 12:13 PM
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08-28-2006, 01:14 PM
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As for the Belmont, why run in it? It's a worthless race unless a horse is going for the TC. It proves NOTHING. It's not like back in the older days when the Belmont was a chance to see which of the 3yo's could handle the 12f distance and would be able to compete with the older horses in the fall championship races, which were at 12f and further. Nowdays, this is the only 12f dirt stakes race in the country, at least the only grade one. So it's basically been turned into something totally irrelevant. Unless there is a TC on the line. I know that if I owned a horse that ran in the Derby and didn't win, there is not a chance in hell that he'd come anywhere close to the starting gate for either the Preakness or the Belmont. There are too many other races out there for as much money or nearly as much and I'd rather go in races that are at more manageable distances instead of the Belmont. Also, look at some of the Belmont horses over the past 10 years: 2006-Jazil.....might be done for the year 2005-Afleet Alex never raced again; Giacomo didn't race again that year 2004-Birdstone, two more career races; Smarty never raced again 2003-Funny Cide.....still around (gelding); Empire Maker one more race 2002-War Emblem......few more races after the Belmont 2001-Point Given......two more career races 1999-Charismatic.......never raced again 1998-Real Quiet........didn't race again that year 1997-Silver Charm......didn't race again that year (well, the Malibu on 12/26) Is this a race that u would want to run in?
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08-28-2006, 12:55 PM
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no....bernardini is the only one who can set himself apart, and above by beating older...obviously barbaro can't do that....bernardini beating the same colts that barbaro beat does not prove he's the better horse. doing so would only show that he is equal to him... barbaro did his racing in the first half. bernardini in the last--so later is 'better'???? why should the latter half carry more weight than the former?
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08-28-2006, 12:59 PM
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9 times out of 10 the "latter" is going to get the award. Not right, but that is how it is.
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08-28-2006, 08:51 AM
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