Allen Iverson

[King Glorious]

As for Iverson, I think some of his veteran teammates should have been on his side and skipped practice too. There's nothing worse than getting a new, inexperienced head coach in there trying to prove himself and making dumb calls like having practice on Thanksgiving. The Pistons aren't a young team full of guys that don't know the game. They are veterans that know what they need to do, know what's important and will get the job done. Several of the players complained about having to practice but they showed up anyway. There could have been 1/5 odds that Iverson wasn't going to show up. The others should have missed it too.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

As for Iverson, I think some of his veteran teammates should have been on his side and skipped practice too. There's nothing worse than getting a new, inexperienced head coach in there trying to prove himself and making dumb calls like having practice on Thanksgiving. The Pistons aren't a young team full of guys that don't know the game. They are veterans that know what they need to do, know what's important and will get the job done. Several of the players complained about having to practice but they showed up anyway. There could have been 1/5 odds that Iverson wasn't going to show up. The others should have missed it too.

why shouldnt they practice on Thanksgiving? They get the whole summer off and it isnt like Detroit is playing great.

[Danzig]

i'm surprised that no one has brought up plaxico yet. dude shot himself in the leg-the same thigh with the bad hamstring.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

As for Iverson, I think some of his veteran teammates should have been on his side and skipped practice too. There's nothing worse than getting a new, inexperienced head coach in there trying to prove himself and making dumb calls like having practice on Thanksgiving. The Pistons aren't a young team full of guys that don't know the game. They are veterans that know what they need to do, know what's important and will get the job done. Several of the players complained about having to practice but they showed up anyway. There could have been 1/5 odds that Iverson wasn't going to show up. The others should have missed it too.

Dumars runs the ship. Dumars had to know there would be practice and approve. Stupid move by Iverson. And he knows it. And one of the reasons stated for the practice was to do some work on how to better utilize Iverson.
Iverson has backed down and the Pistons forgive so all is good.
Except that Detroit made themselves worse with the trade imo. Not that its gonna matter.

[King Glorious]

Making the analogy of what people in other jobs have to do is meaningless here. Danzig, if your husband knew that if he didn't show up on Christmas, nothing would happen to him, would he still show up? If you work at gas station or supermarket and don't show up and you know that nothing will happen to you at all, do you still bother to show up? I don't. What was Iverson's punishment? Not being allowed to start. Maybe he was fined a couple of thousand dollars. He still played 27 minutes and led the team scoring for the game.

In the NBA, the coaches don't run things. In college, they do. Not at the pro level. If LeBron James went to Danny Ferry tonight and said "I want Mike Brown out of here this week or there's NO WAY I'm staying", Brown would need the classifieds very quickly. Same thing in Miami with Wade, Toronto with Bosh, etc. The star players have all the power in the NBA. After the players, it's the GM's, then the owners, then the coaches.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Making the analogy of what people in other jobs have to do is meaningless here. Danzig, if your husband knew that if he didn't show up on Christmas, nothing would happen to him, would he still show up? If you work at gas station or supermarket and don't show up and you know that nothing will happen to you at all, do you still bother to show up? I don't. What was Iverson's punishment? Not being allowed to start. Maybe he was fined a couple of thousand dollars. He still played 27 minutes and led the team scoring for the game.

In the NBA, the coaches don't run things. In college, they do. Not at the pro level. If LeBron James went to Danny Ferry tonight and said "I want Mike Brown out of here this week or there's NO WAY I'm staying", Brown would need the classifieds very quickly. Same thing in Miami with Wade, Toronto with Bosh, etc. The star players have all the power in the NBA. After the players, it's the GM's, then the owners, then the coaches.

was that your letter in the DRF?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Making the analogy of what people in other jobs have to do is meaningless here. Danzig, if your husband knew that if he didn't show up on Christmas, nothing would happen to him, would he still show up? If you work at gas station or supermarket and don't show up and you know that nothing will happen to you at all, do you still bother to show up? I don't. What was Iverson's punishment? Not being allowed to start. Maybe he was fined a couple of thousand dollars. He still played 27 minutes and led the team scoring for the game.

In the NBA, the coaches don't run things. In college, they do. Not at the pro level. If LeBron James went to Danny Ferry tonight and said "I want Mike Brown out of here this week or there's NO WAY I'm staying", Brown would need the classifieds very quickly. Same thing in Miami with Wade, Toronto with Bosh, etc. The star players have all the power in the NBA. After the players, it's the GM's, then the owners, then the coaches.

sad...but true

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Making the analogy of what people in other jobs have to do is meaningless here. Danzig, if your husband knew that if he didn't show up on Christmas, nothing would happen to him, would he still show up? If you work at gas station or supermarket and don't show up and you know that nothing will happen to you at all, do you still bother to show up? I don't. What was Iverson's punishment? Not being allowed to start. Maybe he was fined a couple of thousand dollars. He still played 27 minutes and led the team scoring for the game.

In the NBA, the coaches don't run things. In college, they do. Not at the pro level. If LeBron James went to Danny Ferry tonight and said "I want Mike Brown out of here this week or there's NO WAY I'm staying", Brown would need the classifieds very quickly. Same thing in Miami with Wade, Toronto with Bosh, etc. The star players have all the power in the NBA. After the players, it's the GM's, then the owners, then the coaches.

yes, he would. neither one of us believes in missing work, for any reason. couldn't tell you the last time he called in. besides, he gets paid pretty well for working a holiday...matter of fact, he got double time on friday while we were at the game-holiday pay + vacation.

years ago, i was an assistant manager at a store that was opened 24-7, 365 days a year. we all took a four hour shift on christmas, which made it fair to everyone.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yes, he would. neither one of us believes in missing work, for any reason. couldn't tell you the last time he called in. besides, he gets paid pretty well for working a holiday...matter of fact, he got double time on friday while we were at the game-holiday pay + vacation.

years ago, i was an assistant manager at a store that was opened 24-7, 365 days a year. we all took a four hour shift on christmas, which made it fair to everyone.

Ok then he, and you, are the exceptions. I think. I wonder if we can agree on the fact that knowing the penalty (or lack thereof) of your actions beforehand can play a huge part in whatever decision you would make in a circumstance? Perhaps if Iverson had thought his contract could be violated, he wouldn't have done it. But knowing he'd only get what amounted to less than a slap on the wrist, he figured it was more important to do whatever it was he decided to skip practice for.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Ok then he, and you, are the exceptions. I think. I wonder if we can agree on the fact that knowing the penalty (or lack thereof) of your actions beforehand can play a huge part in whatever decision you would make in a circumstance? Perhaps if Iverson had thought his contract could be violated, he wouldn't have done it. But knowing he'd only get what amounted to less than a slap on the wrist, he figured it was more important to do whatever it was he decided to skip practice for.

some people have ethics, some don't. some would miss regardless of the aftermath--plaxico burress for example. then you have those who want to play no matter what-shawn merriman leaps to mind.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

some people have ethics, some don't. some would miss regardless of the aftermath--plaxico burress for example. then you have those who want to play no matter what-shawn merriman leaps to mind.

Remember, we arent talking about playing.

We talkin bout practice.

[Danzig]

if coach called a practice, everyone should have been there. i've worked holidays, my husband hasn't had a christmas off in years. that's life.
hard to feel bad for millionaires who play a sport for a living.