Prince of Change reaches for dangerous 'retreads!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

OMG....forget the Koolade, Timm needs an anti-psychotic stat!!!
Let me try and follow the rant...oops, I mean "logic", if European countries are radical Muslim strongholds because of acts of terrorism that happen in their country then we are a radical Muslim stronghold because of 9-11?????

I think he is speaking to all the bombing that has taken place in London and Paris (and other European cities). Strongholds was way overstated. I think thats what he means. They have trouble with Islamic extremists bombing night clubs etc... and have for a while. But I think he forgets that London had just as many bombings by Christians (Catholic extremists from Ireland, the IRA). Although I get the cutting feeling he does not consider Catholics real Christians. In that case I would have him go back in time and visit Northern Ireland and the Protestant terrorist groups.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I think he is speaking to all the bombing that has taken place in London and Paris (and other European cities). Strongholds was way overstated. I think thats what he means. They have trouble with Islamic extremists bombing night clubs etc... and have for a while. But I think he forgets that London had just as many bombings by Christians (Catholic extremists from Ireland, the IRA).

Selective memory!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I think he is speaking to all the bombing that has taken place in London and Paris (and other European cities). Strongholds was way overstated. I think thats what he means. They have trouble with Islamic extremists bombing night clubs etc... and have for a while. But I think he forgets that London had just as many bombings by Christians (Catholic extremists from Ireland, the IRA).

why do you label bombers like IRA christians? I believe that whole circumstance is over the right to rule!

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

why do you label bombers like IRA christians? I believe that whole circumstance is over the right to rule!

Thats what they call themselves. You dont like that?
Kinda of like some of the Muslims groups here in the US
that get so upset when their extreme brethren get them labeled.
There were Catholic priests giving money to the IRA in Boston.
And many other Catholics that detest the IRA.

It comes from centuries of hatred.
And that of course leads to trying to take political control. In these cases,
I cant separate the two. Maybe you can. You are choosing which conflicts
you wish to label rather indiscriminately.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

why do you label bombers like IRA christians? I believe that whole circumstance is over the right to rule!

I believe the IRA vs England / Northern Ireland has more to do with England invading Ireland and basically making the population go from 8,000,000 to 1,000,000 (immigrating to the USA and dead from potato famine) and THEN England decided to keep the top part of Ireland...

Sure Irish are Catholics and English are Protestants but I dont believe the hatred is caused by the religion.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I believe the IRA vs England / Northern Ireland has more to do with England invading Ireland and basically making the population go from 8,000,000 to 1,000,000 (immigrating to the USA and dead from potato famine) and THEN England decided to keep the top part of Ireland...

Sure Irish are Catholics and English are Protestants but I dont believe the hatred is caused by the religion.

This is a long standing hatred that goes centuries back.
ONe could argue all this Protestant v. Catholic stuff goes
back to Martin Luther.

[Antitrust32]

^^^

oh by the way I am extremely biased about the Ireland/England thing so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

(yay Ireland)

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

^^^

oh by the way I am extremely biased about the Ireland/England thing so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

(yay Ireland)

I stand by my prior post.
Goes way back.
Distrusting long standing differences.

Many Protestants still have a great distrust of
Catholics and their Pope. Protestants dont believe
the Pope has a direct phone line to God. Protestants
have preachers who tell them to read the bible for
themselves while all the time intepreting it for them.

Quite comical.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I stand by my prior post.
Goes way back.
Distrusting long standing differences.

Many Protestants still have a great distrust of
Catholics and their Pope. Protestants dont believe
the Pope has a direct phone line to God. Protestants
have preachers who tell them to read the bible for
themselves while all the time intepreting it for them.

Quite comical.

Succinct(for once) and well said. nice jub

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Succinct(for once) and well said. nice jub

I have never been accused of making things
clear and to the point on this board.
I will stick with Physics. Much easier.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I believe the IRA vs England / Northern Ireland has more to do with England invading Ireland and basically making the population go from 8,000,000 to 1,000,000 (immigrating to the USA and dead from potato famine) and THEN England decided to keep the top part of Ireland...

Sure Irish are Catholics and English are Protestants but I dont believe the hatred is caused by the religion.

thank you...that's basically what I meant...the right to govern oneself.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I believe the IRA vs England / Northern Ireland has more to do with England invading Ireland and basically making the population go from 8,000,000 to 1,000,000 (immigrating to the USA and dead from potato famine) and THEN England decided to keep the top part of Ireland...

Sure Irish are Catholics and English are Protestants but I dont believe the hatred is caused by the religion.

england and ireland have been fighting over the irish territories since william the conqueror/1066, back when it was all catholics. way more to it then religion.