Prince of Change reaches for dangerous 'retreads!

What I find interesting is that the international community
was very much behind going into Afghanistan and ridding
them of the Taliban and finding Bin Laden. The French even
sent troops. Where have they all gone?

I think we have indeed acted very brazen without worrying
about what other countries think. But when we witness what
has happened in Europe through a number of wars, and now
with the mess in Afghanistan, one can understand why we
dont necessarily listen to advice from "the world".

That being said our new president will be much more judicious
in his actions and will consult the international community. But
Obama knows history, he knows that the international community
can also do a very poor job of assessing conflict and how to resolve it.
So he will listen, and give the necessary diplomatic lip service, and then
do what he thinks is best for this country. As it should be.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

What I find interesting is that the international community
was very much behind going into Afghanistan and ridding
them of the Taliban and finding Bin Laden. The French even
sent troops. Where have they all gone?

I think we have indeed acted very brazen without worrying
about what other countries think. But when we witness what
has happened in Europe through a number of wars, and now
with the mess in Afghanistan, one can understand why we
dont necessarily listen to advice from "the world".

That being said our new president will be much more judicious
in his actions and will consult the international community. But
Obama knows history, he knows that the international community
can also do a very poor job of assessing conflict and how to resolve it.
So he will listen, and give the necessary diplomatic lip service, and then
do what he thinks is best for this country. As it should be.

Boy...are you a dreamer! WTF? We should listen to the scandal plagued UN?
The situation demanded leadership..and since we are the leaders of the free world. The international community is a pack of sheep, sucking at the breast of America. I daresay there'd be no tremendous national debt if we'd cut them off. But we were the moral conscience of the world, always ready to come to the aid in time of tragedy..and tyranny! I pray that some wisdom shows up in Washington.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Boy...are you a dreamer! WTF? We should listen to the scandal plagued UN?
The situation demanded leadership..and since we are the leaders of the free world. The international community is a pack of sheep, sucking at the breast of America. I daresay there'd be no tremendous national debt if we'd cut them off. But we were the moral conscience of the world, always ready to come to the aid in time of tragedy..and tyranny! I pray that some wisdom shows up in Washington.

Oh good Lord Timm.
The world is bigger than just US.

And what am I dreaming about?
Obama will do a better job of listening than Bush.
Will his listening transfer into action? I firmly believe
he will do what he thinks is best for THIS country realizing
we have to deal with OTHER countries.

You just cant put your head in the sand and hide.
WE MUST DEAL WITH OTHER COUNTRIES.
The world is no longer flat for gosh sakes.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Oh good Lord Timm.
The world is bigger than just US.

And what am I dreaming about?
Obama will do a better job of listening than Bush.
Will his listening transfer into action? I firmly believe
he will do what he thinks is best for THIS country realizing
we have to deal with OTHER countries.

You just cant put your head in the sand and hide.
WE MUST DEAL WITH OTHER COUNTRIES.
The world is no longer flat for gosh sakes.

You mean capitulate to the other countries,right? Personally I don't think we should consider any source that doesn't share our ideals and goals.

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

You mean capitulate to the other countries,right? Personally I don't think we should consider any source that doesn't share our ideals and goals.

Capitulate?
Capitulate?

You look at issues that might be benificial to multiple countries
and dont partake, just call it capitulation? Are we capitulating
while meeting with the heads of state about the current world
economic crisis?

What the heck are you suggesting that I suggested? When did I mention
capitulate. I wrote listen to. If we dont listen, how the hell can we understand the correct road to take?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Capitulate?
Capitulate?

You look at issues that might be benificial to multiple countries
and dont partake, just call it capitulation? Are we capitulating
while meeting with the heads of state about the current world
economic crisis?

What the heck are you suggesting that I suggested? When did I mention
capitulate. I wrote listen to. If we dont listen, how the hell can we understand the correct road to take?

Take a deep breath, will ya! Of course the economic situations begs for a summit. But the whole premise of sitting down with those who wish to crush us is ridiculous. They are the ones bringing the crap to us. Look at Europe...France and England are radical Muslim strongholds...cars burning, people sliced up for an infraction, people gunned down....that's not what America stands for....THEY should figure the peaceful road to take

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Take a deep breath, will ya! Of course the economic situations begs for a summit. But the whole premise of sitting down with those who wish to crush us is ridiculous. They are the ones bringing the crap to us. Look at Europe...France and England are radical Muslim strongholds...cars burning, people sliced up for an infraction, people gunned down....that's not what America stands for....THEY should figure the peaceful road to take

OMG....forget the Koolade, Timm needs an anti-psychotic stat!!!
Let me try and follow the rant...oops, I mean "logic", if European countries are radical Muslim strongholds because of acts of terrorism that happen in their country then we are a radical Muslim stronghold because of 9-11?????

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Take a deep breath, will ya! Of course the economic situations begs for a summit. But the whole premise of sitting down with those who wish to crush us is ridiculous. They are the ones bringing the crap to us. Look at Europe...France and England are radical Muslim strongholds...cars burning, people sliced up for an infraction, people gunned down....that's not what America stands for....THEY should figure the peaceful road to take

I am thinking in broader terms, not just places like Iran and Syria
which clearly are problems. But sitting down with places like North Korea
and Pakistan (hanging in the balance right now) and finding out exactly
what they are about is knowlege that is powerful stuff. And definitely NOT
turning up our noses at every European proposal and going it on our own.
That is a recipe for failure. We have to talk before acting.
And I mean talking and then sanctioning till we are blue in the face.
We have to have cooperation and the only way to get it is to talk.
We cannot sanction some country and then immediately have Russia
supply them with what our sanctions prohibited. It is foolishness.
We have to know when we are in a position of power and when
we are not. We just cant go in demanding not having any idea
where we stand. That is diplomacy. It is an art. We used to be good
at it.

[hi_im_god]

you believe christianity is the true faith and islam false.

but if you were born in afghanistan you would believe just the opposite.

moral behavior arises from empathy, not faith. you don't have to believe in god to have a moral code. i'd rather face an empathetic athiest in a dark alley than anyone who rely's on a moral code imposed by an invisble giant.

humanity has believed in thousands of gods throughout history and most christians have no problem laughing off all those prior beliefs.

i'd suggest taking that just one god further and we'd all be better off.

[Antitrust32]

HiGod can I use that in my siggy? Great post.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

you believe christianity is the true faith and islam false.

but if you were born in afghanistan you would believe just the opposite.

moral behavior arises from empathy, not faith. you don't have to believe in god to have a moral code. i'd rather face an empathetic athiest in a dark alley than anyone who rely's on a moral code imposed by an invisble giant.

humanity has believed in thousands of gods throughout history and most christians have no problem laughing off all those prior beliefs.

i'd suggest taking that just one god further and we'd all be better off.

and that's why you'll always be a small "g"

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

you believe christianity is the true faith and islam false.

but if you were born in afghanistan you would believe just the opposite.

moral behavior arises from empathy, not faith. you don't have to believe in god to have a moral code. i'd rather face an empathetic athiest in a dark alley than anyone who rely's on a moral code imposed by an invisble giant.

humanity has believed in thousands of gods throughout history and most christians have no problem laughing off all those prior beliefs.

i'd suggest taking that just one god further and we'd all be better off.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

you believe christianity is the true faith and islam false.

but if you were born in afghanistan you would believe just the opposite.

moral behavior arises from empathy, not faith. you don't have to believe in god to have a moral code. i'd rather face an empathetic athiest in a dark alley than anyone who rely's on a moral code imposed by an invisble giant.

humanity has believed in thousands of gods throughout history and most christians have no problem laughing off all those prior beliefs.

i'd suggest taking that just one god further and we'd all be better off.

!!!!OOOOOOOOOO!!!!